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    Default DeRozan Comparisons

    I hate comparisons but I want the DeMar haters to take a look at his stats in 1st/2nd year compared to a recent hall of fame inductee.

    Demar
    Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    09-10 TOR 77 65 21.6 0.498 0.250 0.763 0.9 2.0 2.9 0.7 0.6 0.2 0.81 2.29 8.6
    10-11 TOR 39 39 32.9 0.474 0.091 0.758 0.8 2.7 3.5 1.7 0.8 0.4 1.7 2.8 14.6

    Pippen
    Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    1987-88 Chicago 79 0 20.9 .463 .174 .576 1.5 2.3 3.8 2.1 1.2 0.7 1.66 2.70 7.9
    1988-89 Chicago 73 56 33.1 .476 .273 .668 1.9 4.2 6.1 3.5 1.9 0.8 2.73 3.60 14.4


    It's obviously not a perfect comparison but if you look at shooting %, PPG, minutes they are pretty comparable. He was inarguably a more rounded player out of college than DeRozan which can be seen by his rebounding, assists and steals stats, but shooting percentages are about the same, free throws are huge with the DeRozan being the winner. What surprises me most is how bad a shooter Pippen was from 3p range. DeRozan has been atrocious this year but his first year numbers were better than Pippen's.

    The point of the story is I believe DeRozan can be something special IF (noticed I said if) he keeps working hard with his coaches and trainers. No one knows how far he will go, if he will ever be talked about as highly as Pippen is but comparatively he seem to be ont he right track.

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    Pippen wasn't spoon fed starts his first year but they ended up getting nearly the same amount of minutes.

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    You are comparing DeRozan to a player who was voted, whether you agree or not, as one of the top 50 players all time.

    Give us a break. Seriously
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    Dude, this comparison is ridiculous. Just shows you that statistics do not always correctly portray the picture.

    If you mine enough data there will be tons of similar examples of young players doing well, especially on sh!tty teams. During the 1988-1989 season the Bulls finished 47-35 and lost to Detroit in the Eastern Conference finals. That's like saying Demar would average those numbers on a team like Orlando, Boston or Miami.

    I like Derozan and see some potential but realistically his cap is a Nick Young or JR Smith. That may be tough to swallow but those guys are very talented and their attitudes sometime take away from their game. Let's be realistic, not every promising young player will turn out to be Tracy McGrady. Every club has their Derozan and few turn out to exceed or even live up to expectations.

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    Quote albertan_10 wrote: View Post
    I hate comparisons but I want the DeMar haters to take a look at his stats in 1st/2nd year compared to a recent hall of fame inductee.

    Demar
    Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    09-10 TOR 77 65 21.6 0.498 0.250 0.763 0.9 2.0 2.9 0.7 0.6 0.2 0.81 2.29 8.6
    10-11 TOR 39 39 32.9 0.474 0.091 0.758 0.8 2.7 3.5 1.7 0.8 0.4 1.7 2.8 14.6

    Pippen
    Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    1987-88 Chicago 79 0 20.9 .463 .174 .576 1.5 2.3 3.8 2.1 1.2 0.7 1.66 2.70 7.9
    1988-89 Chicago 73 56 33.1 .476 .273 .668 1.9 4.2 6.1 3.5 1.9 0.8 2.73 3.60 14.4


    It's obviously not a perfect comparison but if you look at shooting %, PPG, minutes they are pretty comparable. He was inarguably a more rounded player out of college than DeRozan which can be seen by his rebounding, assists and steals stats, but shooting percentages are about the same, free throws are huge with the DeRozan being the winner. What surprises me most is how bad a shooter Pippen was from 3p range. DeRozan has been atrocious this year but his first year numbers were better than Pippen's.

    The point of the story is I believe DeRozan can be something special IF (noticed I said if) he keeps working hard with his coaches and trainers. No one knows how far he will go, if he will ever be talked about as highly as Pippen is but comparatively he seem to be ont he right track.
    Except that Scottie Pippen was an elite defender and a versatile one at that(heard he could guard 3-5 positions then) lmao.

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    There are obvious differences and I never mentioned that he'd be the next scottie Pippen. The goal of posting this was to simply show some people who complain about DeRozan's "lack of progress" that it's not as bad as their imagining it.

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    I always said that Demar and TMac have had eerily similar styles of play as young players in the NBA and their numbers show it. Demar has actually exceded the numbers of TMac in his sophomore year.

    TMac
    Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DE RPG AS SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    97-98 TOR 64 17 18.4 0.450 0.341 0.712 1.6 2.6 4.2 1.5 0.8 1.0 1.03 1.34 7.0
    98-99 TOR 49 2 22.6 0.436 0.229 0.726 2.4 3.2 5.7 2.3 1.1 1.4 1.63 1.92 9.3

    Demar
    Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DE RPG AS SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    09-10 TOR 77 65 21.6 0.498 0.250 0.763 0.9 2.0 2.9 0.7 0.6 0.2 0.81 2.29 8.6
    10-11 TOR 39 39 32.9 0.474 0.091 0.758 0.8 2.7 3.5 1.7 0.8 0.4 1.67 2.77 14.6


    McGrady was a better defender, but the steals and blocks he got could be given to added height/length. TMacs got arms like a monkey. hah
    Obviously its a best case scenario, but I think its the most valid comparison at this point in his career.
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    i dont think comparing derozan to pippen.. is a smart idea..... I mean no one is arguing with the fact demar can be a pretty good scorer in this league possibly. But wat made pippen so good was cause he could do a bunch of things and do them damn well.... demar not so much, he juss scores every other part of his game is weaker and needs quite a big amount of improvement. Demar has improved from lass year, and i know u were trying to make that point, but bad dude to compare him with is all.

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    Just to be fair Derozan doesnt have that other guy that pippen played with either....i think he made everyone on his team a little better...and in saying that i still dont like the comparison....

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    Quote SitnonDfence wrote: View Post
    Just to be fair Derozan doesnt have that other guy that pippen played with either....i think he made everyone on his team a little better...and in saying that i still dont like the comparison....
    Steve Kerr? I agree... haha

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    DeMar suffers from a very inconsistent shooting stroke. His success at the line indicates that he's likely to get better.

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    Comparisions of the early years between a proven all time great and a player just now starting out really serves no purpose in reality in my view. I am assuming the intent here is to show that DD "could" become like Pippen. There are so many factors that go into Pippens stats and accomplishments nevermind the team/players he got to play with as well as coaching. The one significant difference physically is the advantage of length which Pippen had over DD. Physical attributes cannot be changed and matter during development of basketball skills. I also notice a seeming passivity in DD (maybe he covers his ferocity well) but I see him give up on the ball/play quite often. Cannot remember Pippen doing this... though I confess I saw him only in the big games and later in his career. DD has the remainder of this year and the first half of next year to show he is consistent on both sides of the ball with a bankable jumpshot...an absolute must for his position.

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    We need to bring Charles Oakley as a coaching assistent then to toughen Derozan up.


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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    We need to bring Charles Oakley as a coaching assistent then to toughen Derozan up.

    He just got the gig with the Bobcats in Dec.

    Wonder if he and MJ have a go at it in practice...lol. Both like the tables so MJ may have hired him to carry the dice.

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    ha ha - comparisons means everythings and nothing .....
    we can try to check-out M.Jordan stats then compare it to Sonny Weems
    May we have a future superstar ... and don't know yet

    as Buddah just say:
    Give us a break. Seriously

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    I thought we had "Reggie" to toughen the Raptors up.

    Maybe we need to hire Bill Laimbeer or better yet hire Zeke as head coach.

    That might do the trick

    His career record as a NBA coach is better than Trianos
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    i dont get the point of the comparison. i could just as easily compare him to kerry kittles first two years and come to the conclusion that he'll be an even bigger bust.

    just let him grow into his own player.

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    Default Oh, DeMar

    what a bipolar couple minutes there at the end

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    growing pains, i know. i know.

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    sonny weems tweeted during the game they were getting robbed. the life and times of our raptors.

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