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Thread: ESPN Rookie Watch: Which NBA Veteran Should Ed Davis Study?

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    You want him to pattern himself after a guy who never fulfilled his potential, made Bargnani seem like a half decent rebounder, really only tried during the playoffs and fell far too in love with the jumper despite a scary ability to score in the post when he set his mind to it, which was about every 8 or 9 games. Oh, and he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

    No thanks.
    LOL at least he played defense every game every position.

    No one is saying become rasheed himself but you admit he had a inside game, outside game, and played defense whether he used it all the time is a different discussion entirely.

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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    Although I loved Ben Wallace, like loved him, I think that Ed should develop more offensively as well. Not necessarily scoring 15+ but I'd not want him to be really bad. If Ben Wallace could hit a couple free-throws in a row, and have an 'okay' offense, the Pistons would have been unbeatable.
    Ed is better than Ben already on offense. My whole thing with selecting these two names was this: a big man with lock down defensive abilities and mediocre offense is much more difficult to find than a guy who isn't elite or poor on either side of the court. If you have an elite defender in the paint life gets easier for everyone else and they can feed off what that one guy is doing.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    EVeryone loved Antonio Davis here, but you do realize the guy never shot above .450 once while in Toronto and only shot above 50% once his entire career. I'd love to see him be like Davis on defense, but I'd like to see him pattern his game after someone who was a bit better on offense. Davis was pretty bad.
    Agree. The title says "should study", so he should aim for the elite. Can he be one of the elite? who knows. I think he can, others may think otherwise but on a bigs-riddled team, essentially he is a 4th stringer (behind Bargs, Amir and Reggie) but he still manages to squeeze out a decent 6pts/6reb almost 2blks per game. If he does stay with the Raps, he has the chance to become elite coz as it stands right now, he is one of the building blocks which means more opportunities for him to improve and excel.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Ed is better than Ben already on offense. My whole thing with selecting these two names was this: a big man with lock down defensive abilities and mediocre offense is much more difficult to find than a guy who isn't elite or poor on either side of the court. If you have an elite defender in the paint life gets easier for everyone else and they can feed off what that one guy is doing.
    I hope he becomes much like what Bosh was when he was here in Toronto (sad to admit), plus the lockdown defense capability. I do hope the Raps let him develop as to what he can become and not as to what they want him to be. I just think its a huge waste of talent if they keep letting Bargs do the offense while Ed and Amir get stuck on rebounding and defense. Good for the team, but even better if they both become at least 15-20pt players. I think this is what happened to Bargs, having Bosh as a rebounder, Garbajosa as a good defender, they relied on Bargs's scoring abilities and molded him into a scorer rather than an all-around player.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    You want him to pattern himself after a guy who never fulfilled his potential, made Bargnani seem like a half decent rebounder, really only tried during the playoffs and fell far too in love with the jumper despite a scary ability to score in the post when he set his mind to it, which was about every 8 or 9 games. Oh, and he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

    No thanks.
    Do you think Rasheed Wallace was a good defender?

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    Quote tbihis wrote: View Post
    I hope he becomes much like what Bosh was when he was here in Toronto (sad to admit), plus the lockdown defense capability.
    I think hoping for him to become the best PF in the NBA is setting the bar reaaally high.


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    Do you think Rasheed Wallace was a good defender?
    Sometimes but the Raptors don't need another guy playing outside... Why are a lot of people wishing to see Ed and DeMar take their games out of the paint? Haven't we learned the importance of the inside game by now? The Raptors already have a center out there, a PG on the perimeter and maybe another wing on the way.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Ed is better than Ben already on offense. My whole thing with selecting these two names was this: a big man with lock down defensive abilities and mediocre offense is much more difficult to find than a guy who isn't elite or poor on either side of the court. If you have an elite defender in the paint life gets easier for everyone else and they can feed off what that one guy is doing.
    Very true, but I do feel like Davis could become a great defender. A mix of Garnett and Bosh? Wallace was athletic and extremely physical, I don't think Ed will be that kind of a presence. And the Raps also have a luxury in Amir Johnson, which means the team doesn't lose a beat on defense when Ed is in foul trouble or tired, this will help Ed a lot because too many minutes might not be the best idea for now.

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    I don't want him to be a face up guy. KG and Bosh are face up guys. I want him to be a back to the basket big man. Those are rare and needed in Championship level teams. I think the worst scenario is him moving outside. I want to see him stay inside.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I don't want him to be a face up guy. KG and Bosh are face up guys. I want him to be a back to the basket big man. Those are rare and needed in Championship level teams. I think the worst scenario is him moving outside. I want to see him stay inside.
    But for now he doesn't have the body for that. He'd get injured pretty often. And I can't really picture him like a Perkins kind of player, I don't know. But it's still early in his career, he definitely needs to bulk up during the summer.

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    I'd obviously like for him to try to be like Tim Duncan, greatest PF of our time and probably of all time for that matter. His championships, drive, and skills just don't lie!
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    Quote JoePanini wrote: View Post
    But for now he doesn't have the body for that. He'd get injured pretty often. And I can't really picture him like a Perkins kind of player, I don't know. But it's still early in his career, he definitely needs to bulk up during the summer.
    And he doesn't have the ability to do what you suggest. Which scenario is better, hitting the gym and working on an inside game or working on an outside game so he can go hold hands with Bargnani and let the little guys do all the heavy hitting inside?

    And that's not to say Bosh was shy of contact, because he wasn't, but him and Bargnani weren't exactly a great fit. They played the game relatively similar on offense.

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    I've always considered a Jermaine O'Neal in his prime, the best comparison for Ed. They have very similar body types, both are good to great rebounders and shot blockers. And Jermaine developed a mid range shot that he could hit with consiscently from various spots. We need Ed to be a defensive force before he becomes an offensive threat.

    Like Amir Davis has a shot from the mid-hash mark where he's money. I'd rather prefer that Ed works on his post-up game, free throws and hit the weight room.

    If he gets some of Garnett's or Perks fire that's just gravy.

    He should aim for a 10-10-2 statline for the first 5 years of his career. Eventually he could be a 17-7-1, but that's not what this team needs.
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    Quote smushmush wrote: View Post
    Nah Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett (the best at his position in the NBA currently). He should improve his defense and rebounding coupled with bulking up too. A defensive big man is a dime a dozen in the scoring oriented NBA nowadays, even if Ed Davis does not play out his career here, because of his defense, he can start on a championship team in the future. My 2 cents.
    You mean best at his position, all-time.

    Davis looks like he could become more of a KG than a Tim Duncan. Defencively hes should study Garnett. I don't know if Davis will ever be able to hit those high-post fade-aways that KG hits on offence though.

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    I agree with whoever said Garnett. A quality defensive anchor who can score. Yes please.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    And he doesn't have the ability to do what you suggest. Which scenario is better, hitting the gym and working on an inside game or working on an outside game so he can go hold hands with Bargnani and let the little guys do all the heavy hitting inside?

    And that's not to say Bosh was shy of contact, because he wasn't, but him and Bargnani weren't exactly a great fit. They played the game relatively similar on offense.
    Players like Perkins are very rare in the NBA. Even Paul Millsap has a jumper. Well either way he needs to bulk up, because he weighs like 220 lbs or something, which isn't ideal for heavy hitting.

    I like him as a KG type guy, but obviously if he was a physical and dominant guy in the post I'd like that too.

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    Do you think Rasheed Wallace was a good defender?
    Yes, he was obviously a good defender, but he had the tools to be a great player. He just didn't seem to care enough to be.
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