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    Default How would you rate the rebuild so far?

    I think it's gone fairly well;
    • No Turk
    • Majority of the team is under 25
    • Got JJ for a fairly weak later first rounder in a crappy draft
    • Amir, Ed and Demar have and still are progressing fairly well
    • High draft pick
    • Multiple expiring contracts
    • Lots of cap space


    I'm going to give it a B because this team still can't play D.
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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    I think it's gone fairly well;
    • No Turk
    • Majority of the team is under 25
    • Got JJ for a fairly weak later first rounder in a crappy draft
    • Amir, Ed and Demar have and still are progressing fairly well
    • High draft pick
    • Multiple expiring contracts
    • Lots of cap space


    I'm going to give it a B because this team still can't play D.
    So far - alright. I'm going with a B as well - if minus was there it would be a B-.

    Considering the last 2 years we have picked 9 and 13 we have 2 very decent players.

    This draft and off-season is going to be crucial. That B could very easily turn to an F. I hope Jose goes and Triano is gone as well.

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    Looking at where the team was at the end of last season and where they are now I need to give the rebuild so far a solid B. There is much work to be done but getting rid of Turkoglu for Barbosa was big. The Amir Johnson signing now looks solid. The drafting of ED Davis and Solomon Alabi was excellent. Adding Wright, Ajinca and Bayless were solid moves. The JJ trade was excellent. Kleiza looked to be a solid signing followed up by extremely bad luck. Like him or not, I don't think you can give him a bad grade on the rebuild so far. He brought in a bunch of talented young players.

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    I too am hoping Triano isn't coaching here next year. He's had his chance, and, while it's true you can only coach so far as the talent on the floor will allow, something has to be done about the defensive culture (or lack thereof) of this team. It's high time the Raps brought in a vet with defensive credentials.

    As far as the rebuild, I also give a B, which to me is basically a holding pattern. A lot hinges upon the draft and/or the lockout. If there's a lockout, the holding pattern will likely continue until next year, where there will be a new draft filled to the end of the lottery almost with excellent, starter-quality talent.

    If Bargnani had already been moved, the grade could be an A-, though that too is contingent upon what was received in return.

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    I am going with a grade of C.

    I feel that we are positioned to improve, we still have a few moves to make in order to take the next step. Once I see how the draft unfolds and what we do with our expiring deals I can reevaluate. Right now we are just in the rough draft of the assignment, the layout is there but will the team go deep enough into detail to warrant a better grade, we won't know till the final edit.

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    If you asked me to rate the team I'd say C, we've seen improvement from some guys but we have holes in our rooster and can't play D. If you asked me how the rebuild is going I'd say "B" maybe even "B+". I feel like we have a plan, and that plan is going the way it is expected. Yes we have holes to fill at PG,SF, and C but hopefully we can draft someone who can shore up one of those positions. If BC drafts a bust or gives up too much of our young talent to shift into a "compete now" strategy my mark would drop quickly and significantly.
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    I vote a C. I like the direction we are going but I think we could have done a lot better with the Bosh deal than we did. I know hindsight is everything and Bosh was not showing any cards on the table. But we were mediocre when Bosh was our go to guy, and we should have sent him packing at the trade deadline knowing that we would be a mediocre team with him, even if we had the opportunity to sign him back. I just wish BC had a little bit of foresight, similar to what O'Connor had with Utah this year.

    But my grade might change depending on what happens in the off season.

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    The Raptors didn't start rebuilding until the summer. I think the idea of this thread was to draw a line in the sand of where the old era ended and the rebuild began and to look at this period of time independent of the period prior. As such I don't think it makes sense to knock him in the rebuild for a trade that did not happen before the rebuild.

    I'd give him a D for what happened prior to the rebuild but that's not the topic...

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    I would give the rebuild an A-. When evaluating a rebuild I think it is safe to compare it to the Thunder and how their rebuilding process unfolded. Still in Seatle, Durant's first season was rough (similar to this raptors season) then they got their two main pieces (Westbrook and Durant) and were moved to OKC, they had a 23 win season highlighted by a strong finish.

    OKC basically played it smart and lucked out with drafting Durant and Westbrook.

    So far i looks like BC is being smart about contracts and correcting bad deals he has made. I feel like we lucked out drafting Derozan and Davis and even getting JJ for free and with any luck we could get Irving in the draft. Then hopefully, like OKC, another year of growth followed by a break out year. I just see alot of similarities between this years raptors team and the Sonics the last year they were in Seatle.

    In short, the raptors have financial flexibility this year and the next. And almost their entire roster is under 25 and talented. What more can one do to rebuild?

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    A team with no direction, no real talent ( only 2 -3 players that have potential to be solid starters in this league), Wasiting time and money on Scrubs, Handling big contract to no talent garbage men, weak coaching, no team philosophy, no team chemistry and ...

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    C-

    I give them this grade because of the sense of this rebuild simply having no direction, we are rebuilding and we have some good pieces but we have nothing to build around. We acquired personal that are so weak on defence that when drafting we have to keep this largely in mind, we could take the best player in the draft but if his defence sucks then we are digging deeper in a hole that keeps getting deeper. We need more diversity , players who are willing to play hard defence, you can't teach talent but you can teach good defence and its on the players and the culture in the organization to do this.

    We need to dump the idea of Bargs as a great player on this team, we can get two quality players who can score a little bit and play great defence for Bargs, this would be best for this team. I don't know who will be out there this summer for free agents but we should make a strong push for Marc Gasol if we can, draft a quaility player that plays defence and trade Bargs for what I stated above then we can rebuild in a more positive direction.
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    I'd give it a B. Getting rid of Turk for Barbosa was huge. We've seen development in most of our young core. For the most part, the team has not been blown out of games and have played quite hard in most games. We have a nice core of good, young, 2nd tier players. Two of them (DeRozan and Davis) have a chance to be front tier players in the future. We also have cap space. With the likelihood of a hard cap coming in next year, this going to be huge if and when teams need to get rid of good players to fit under the cap. This summer will be huge. With a bit of luck, we get Irving in the draft, get a SF via free agency or trade, and maybe upgrade the defence. If we can do this and stay healthy next year, I would not be surprised to see this team get around 35-38 wins next year and challenge for the 8th spot in the Conference. Bargs....I'm not sure what to do with him. If the right deal emerges, I'd move him but I would not simply give him away. As for Triano, I'll give him one more year before deciding whether they should dump him or not. The key will be this summer's draft. Everything else will fall into place afterward. Keep your fingers crossed that we get Irving.

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    Quote jd4 wrote: View Post
    I'd give it a B. Getting rid of Turk for Barbosa was huge.
    The Only problem with you giving praise to BC for that move is that he made the mistake in the first place when all other GMs of the league went " What a F*** !!!"

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    Quote Raptor4Ever wrote: View Post
    A team with no direction, no real talent ( only 2 -3 players that have potential to be solid starters in this league), Wasiting time and money on Scrubs, Handling big contract to no talent garbage men, weak coaching, no team philosophy, no team chemistry and ...

    D
    haha dude you need to take a really cold shower, too much angst.

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    IMO, the rebuild consists of not just the players, but everything to do with the team, meaning coaches, trainers, etc.

    If we're talking solely on the players, i give it a C. From what we are being shown right now, there is no clear cut go-to guy on this team. and IMO, when you rebuild, you have to rebuild around a particular player, you cant just keep acquiring pieces and hope they all fit. You acquire a centerpiece and work your way around him. Thats rebuilding, IMO. Now, if BC acquired DD thinking that Bosh was going to bolt and make him the new player to rebuild around, then Im good with that. Acquiring JJ and Bayless, drafting Ed and re-signing Amir, i think the Raps are on the right track. But like i always say, the core/starters have to be clearly defined before they do anything else. Ive come to terms with the fact that Bargs is and should not be the focal point of this team. And i think management is too, otherwise, they shouldve taken massive steps last season to get Bargs when he needs to be. For starters, they shouldve gotten him a good defensive and post-up coach. Invest in the guy in you are going to make him your franchise player. But they havent done anything towards that, as far as i know.

    If we're including management with the rebuild, then i give that a D. Triano has had flashes this season, but most of the time, he just does things that make you scratch your head. I dont know what it is but sometimes he just gets into a lull, like he goes into hibernation mode. Raps up 15, opponent makes a run and he waits till its a tied game before he calls a timeout. Barbosa scorches the opponents with 17pts in the 1st half and he doesnt play him till the mid of the 4th. Bargnani bungles the last shot before at the end of regulation and he gives him the ball again for the last shot at at the end of the 3rd OT. I dont know if BC told him to tank the season, but it wont make sense because this is a weak draft, and nobody can really the Cavs for that honor, so i guess its just him not being a good coach.

    Im just curious as to what BC (if he's still here) is going to do with the draft pick and cap space.

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    C? No home runs but nothing bad either.

    It's hard to judge because this rebuild was really forced on management (this wasn't Plan A, B, C, D or Z) and they haven't really had time to do anything other than unload unwanted contracts (e.g. Turk, Jack) and take flyers on some guys (Bayless, Ajinca, Johnson).

    This offseason will tell us more about where they are headed or if management is even committed to a proper rebuild (I have my doubts).

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    This offseason will tell us more about where they are headed or if management is even committed to a proper rebuild (I have my doubts).
    But what is a proper rebuild?

    The way the Lakers did it? Heist of a trade
    The way the Bulls did it? Going from 9-1 in the draft
    The way the Celtics did it? Cashing out all assets
    The way the Thunder did it? 3 years of misery with uck drafting 2 franchise players and other solid draft picks

    Build me a team that can compete. I don't care how it is done as long as deep playoff runs are delivered with the possibility of a championship.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Build me a team that can compete. I don't care how it is done as long as deep playoff runs are delivered with the possibility of a championship.
    Neither do I. I also agree that you need some luck. Hey, if we can move Amir Johnson and Ajinca for Dirk Nowitzki and trade the #5 pick for Chris Paul I am all over that. I just don't think the assets are here to translate into a quick turnaround and that they need to build through the draft. Based on what we saw last summer after Bosh left, my fear is that management moves young guys for vets not to win a 'ship but to get into the playoffs.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    But what is a proper rebuild?

    The way the Lakers did it? Heist of a trade
    The way the Bulls did it? Going from 9-1 in the draft
    The way the Celtics did it? Cashing out all assets
    The way the Thunder did it? 3 years of misery with uck drafting 2 franchise players and other solid draft picks

    Build me a team that can compete. I don't care how it is done as long as deep playoff runs are delivered with the possibility of a championship.
    I think you can look at your 4 teams and you get your answer... find an extremely talented player(s) that can make those other guys around them better simply by being on the floor. That guy that has an edge and is able to rise to a challenge. A guy that can contribute by any and all means necessary, and do it effectively, efficiently and consistently. And you get that guy by any means avaiable.

    This team does not have that. This team has not had that since Vince quit.

    Just having "young guys" is meaningless if they don't turn into that. Drafting year after year is meaningless if you don't draft that.

    Don't waste time and money on guys that will not contribute both immediately and in the long term. Don't waste time on guys that are not "assets" that can be turned into something else.

    Right now this team only has 2 guys that could start on a good team (Jose and Amir) A few others that could probably be back ups (Barbossa, Evans) and a few who MAY be able to contribute at some point in the future (Demar, Ed, JJ)

    The rest is wasted money and playing time.

    Their is no focus on this team. There is no direction. There is not 100% effort put out on a nightly basis. There are too many question marks.

    Without some serious changes and a crap load of luck this is not getting better anytime soon.

    This "rebuild" hasn't even started yet. This is just the start of the crappy years until the team gets its shit together.

    The rebuild gets an N/A.

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    Quote GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    I think you can look at your 4 teams and you get your answer... find an extremely talented player(s) that can make those other guys around them better simply by being on the floor. That guy that has an edge and is able to rise to a challenge. A guy that can contribute by any and all means necessary, and do it effectively, efficiently and consistently. And you get that guy by any means avaiable.

    This team does not have that. This team has not had that since Vince quit.

    Just having "young guys" is meaningless if they don't turn into that. Drafting year after year is meaningless if you don't draft that.

    Don't waste time and money on guys that will not contribute both immediately and in the long term. Don't waste time on guys that are not "assets" that can be turned into something else.

    Right now this team only has 2 guys that could start on a good team (Jose and Amir) A few others that could probably be back ups (Barbossa, Evans) and a few who MAY be able to contribute at some point in the future (Demar, Ed, JJ)

    The rest is wasted money and playing time.

    Their is no focus on this team. There is no direction. There is not 100% effort put out on a nightly basis. There are too many question marks.

    Without some serious changes and a crap load of luck this is not getting better anytime soon.

    This "rebuild" hasn't even started yet. This is just the start of the crappy years until the team gets its shit together.

    The rebuild gets an N/A.
    I agree with everything you said but I put a little more value on DeMar and Ed.

    It is tough to get a read on the direction when the team is being torn apart.

    I think of the Raptors like the old Marine line: they tear you down and build you back stronger. The draft and offseason are going to be interesting. Too bad the offseason is going to be delayed.

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