Despite the fact that Kaman was an all star and is an expiring contract, I could see Bargnani worth more than Kaman. He is younger, and has a lot more offensive skill that NOLA is lacking (outside of Gordon). Plus the rebounding that Kaman provides (and that Bargnani does not provide) is not needed if they have Okafor.
I wonder if NOLA would consider trading Kaman and Minny's pick for Bargnani? Or would that be too lop-sided in Toronto's favour?
Kaman could then fill in for Bargnani.. He produced 12pts and 7rebs last year and had a decent defensive rating of 105 and I don't think he'd have an issue playing center (although he had a better PER as PF). That would allow Davis to get more minutes. Once the season is over Kaman can be resigned (he is from Michigan, which could mean that Toronto is an attraction for him) or dropped to give us more cap space. If Minny becomes a lottery team (and the chances are still good), we could have two very good picks.
If we looked at the Paul trade, would it still look like a good deal if the Clippers traded Paul for Bargnani, Aminu and Gordon instead of Kaman, Aminu, Gordon and Minny's pick? I think it would.
Anyways, this trade might have to wait a few months to get through since Kaman was just dealt (although I believe he could still be traded one for one at any time). However, in the next month or two we can assess Bargnani in Toronto under Casey's watch, and see how well Minny is doing. If Minny starts off great then that pick becomes much worse (although NOLA's pick is a potential lottery pick as well).
The only other trade I can see with NOLA and Bargnani is moving Bargnani for Trevor Ariza (and the pick). I don't really like Ariza though, and would rather have JJ/Kleiza as our SF. Ariza is still owed about $21M for 3 years. He was also suspended for almost elbowing Demar in the head. There could be bad blood there. Another reason why not to do that deal.
Options open up when a 3rd team is introduced.. but I can't think of many teams that would want Kaman (or Ariza), or any other piece from NOLA.
Bargnani for Kaman and the lower of NOH/MIN draft pick would work for me.
I do think MIN will surprise a lot of people this year but they will still be a lottery team (like 9-12 range). I think Kaman does have value around the league. A team like Philly could really use him. Toronto could also resign him past this season if it was a reasonable contract and no more than 3 years. I think given his injury history he would thrive with fewer minutes and nights off to rest while JV is brought along. Unfortunately, given the market for C's, I doubt a reasonable, no more than 3 year contract would be in the cards.
I think he'd fit in nicely there too, I just don't know if there's anything there we'd want that they'd be willing to give up
Bargs + Fields for Amare + Chris Copeland
We waive Amare so he can sign with a championship team but we acquire Chris Copeland who could be the future PF of our team.
Hey, another thread to post this idea in. There's never a shortage of threads to present "get rid of Bargs" scenarios.
Andrea Bargnani for Kendrick Perkins and Perry Jones.
Short version: Bargnani is an upgrade over Perkins and only small pay increase....same length of deal. It's also pretty clear they could use another offensive threat, hopefully in the frontcourt. Jones is lost in the shuffle. Not going to outplay Durant, Ibaka or Collison any time soon. For Toronto, Perkins would be getting a demotion in role, but maybe one he's suited for, and brings some grit and leadership. Jones could get the chance to play at either PF or SF. Still a lot of potential there. Reunites him with Acy, but they'd be fighting each other for minutes.
This probably wouldn't be a first choice for either team, but both players will not attract great offers. OKC has 3 draft picks this year, likely at 12 (ours), 29 and 32. They can easily replace Jones with another young asset. Or they may even be willing to deal a pick rather than Jones.
Posted this in the wrong thread before, my bad.
Bargs and Acy (if he's needed to sweeten the deal) for Channing Frye
Essentially a salary-dump. Allows the amnesty to be used on Linas, and maybe get another good floor-spacer if Frye is healthy. If not, he's at least not locker room cancer.
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What I see more likely is that you'll see them split duties, and Bargnani will be especially useful against a team like Memphis, where they need Ibaka for a guy like Randolph, and they also need him as a help defender away from Gasol, since Gasol is a good passer and it would be very hard for Ibaka to guard him and the basket. Or another example is San Antonio, where similarly, I'd rather put Ibaka on Splitter, and force Bargs to guard Duncan, because he's always more engaged as an on-the-ball defender, and somewhat useless off it. Ibaka thrives in that situation though.
*Honestly I don't even like Cousins more than DeMar, even though he's clearly more talented. He's got a bottom 5 type personality. Thompson is a role player. Thornton is not a better player than Demar, IMO. He's a better 3 pt shooter, but at least as one-dimensional...he only scores.
JV > Cousins
DeMar > Thornton (IMO)
Bargs more talented than Thompson hands down, though Thompson less frustrating and better contract.
In different scenarios I might go for Thompson in exchange for Bargs...but I'm not sure how to round that out in a way that makes sense for both teams.
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