That's a questions I should be asking you more often. I notice you love bringing up past examples as if eac one is totally related to our team and our present situation. So there are way to many examples of past player clashes. But i'll give you an example. Look at Charlie V. in Detroit.Grerg Monroe is starting in his place. He bitches about his role 24/7.And you're basing this on.....
But Did they win the championship? Nobody remembers eastern conference finals champs. No star? wasn't a young man by the name of Reggie Miller on that team? Stop looking for excuses. It's fine to have an active big man I just think if you increase your chances of winning titles if you can have a gasol nowitsky bargnani type at the 4 with an ancor at the center position.They won 58 games and went to the Eastern Conference Finals two years in a row. I'd say they did pretty damn well. And that was without a true superstar on the team. I'm curious why you don't think a team would be successful with two active big men, who defend, rebound and are very efficient on the offensive end, as your two PFs, but why you think a team with a defensive liability at the 4 can advance far in the playoffs.
2 years from now Bargnani will be entering his prime years. Goodluck starting Ed ahead of him.And in 2 years, there's no way Bargnani starts ahead of Ed Davis. Bargnani's far too one dimensional and Davis is already more well rounded than him.
what do any of those teams you mentioned have to do with Toronto.Why? Because teams have a field day playing zone against teams like Orlando, Oklahoma, Chicago and Denver? You don't need your big men to be able to hit the outside jumper to beat a zone. I'm not sure where you get that from. Besides, the notion that Amir is a poor offensive player is a complete myth. He's become a good shooter from 15 feet, and should continue to improve. And there's no reason to believe Davis won't be able to improve his jumpshot too.
Last edited by DunkinDerozan; Wed Mar 30th, 2011 at 08:54 AM.
Actually, for arguments sake, those two players are rather similar. Both very big, strong and athletic. Good rebounders, shot blockers and (at age 21) both are pretty bad post players (Howard has developed a decent post game now). They are similar, but Howard is a far better player, which is like Weems and DeRozan.
Secondly, let's not put Bargnani and Gasol in the same sentence. Even before he was traded to the Lakers, Gasol was an above average rebounder and defender, as well as a good inside scorer. About the only similarities between them is they are both white Europeans.
And while Dirk is a far better scorer, defender and rebounder than Bargnani, he never won a Championship anyway. So if you discount Indiana for not winning a Championship, you have to discount Dallas as well. You can't pick and choose, here.
And the fact of the matter is that no team has ever won a Championship with a starting 4 or 5 that was below average defensively and on the boards. If you're going to bring up history, you can't ignore that fact.
LEGACY LEGENDS LEAGUE
PG - Penny Hardaway, 1995-96, Orlando Magic: 21.7 PPG, 4.3 REB, 7.1 AST, 24.6 PER
SG - Kobe Bryant, 2005-06, L.A. Lakers: 35.4 PPG, 5.3 REB, 4.5 AST, 28.0 PER
SF - Elgin Baylor, 1961-62, L.A. Lakers: 38.3 PPG, 18.6 REB, 4.6 AST, 26.5 PER
PF - Patrick Ewing, 1989-90, N.Y. Knicks: 28.6 PPG, 10.9 REB, 4.6 BLK, 25.8 PER
C - Dikembe Mutombo, 1999-00, Atlanta Hawks: 11.5 PPG, 14.1 REB, 3.3 BLK, 19.4 PER
The decision is simple:
Trade Amir and get some value back. If he is as awesome of talent as Raptor fans think, then we should be able to get some real value back.
Package Sonny and James Johnson and Bayless and get some real talent back in Toronto.
You keep both. how can anyone say that 1 or the other has to be dealt? you need a minimum of 3 good bigs and a fourth (Dorsey) who will keep working his tail off to belong. Just like you need 2 PG who are basically starters on a team. The season is way too long for 1 man on the point or 2 bigs down low. Injuries ALWAYS happen so don't give away a talent because he can't start or some other lame excuse. A reaaly smart player knows his career can be extended when he doesn't have to log heavy minutes. How has San Antonio been hurt with their approach to the regular season by limiting minutes ?
sign weems for a max deal. he's goin to break out next year and deserves that money.... ok so not really. I do like his game as a SG coming off the bench. he isn't a SF by any means.
Keep both Amir and Ed. Trade Bargnani, buy him out, whatever just get rid of him. Don't really matter to me if they trade Demar too, so long as we get good value in return. Matter of fact, I don't really mind trading anybody on this team just to get something more valuable back. It's not like we have superstars in the making here anyways. As for Sonny, he showed this season that he isn't worth keeping, even though I was really high on him last season.
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