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    Looks like Silva was just being a cocky SOB. Put your hands up, idiot!!
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Looks like Silva was just being a cocky SOB. Put your hands up, idiot!!
    alot of people having been saying that... but i disagree completely..

    Silva does that shit and wins with regularity. It's not so much being cocky, as much as it is a tactic to get his opponents to fight his game.. what typically happens, is he mocks his opponent, get's them into a headspace where they're pissed off and want to knock him the fuck out.. they throw heavy swings with evil intent... he counters and picks them apart

    what he did with weidman is nothing compared to what he did to stefan bonnar

    the difference with weidman, is he didn't fall for it... instead of headhunting, he kept his composure and strung combos.. genius on his part.. he was winging punches, throws a flicker right jab to get silva to move his head right into his left hook


    there's going to be a ton of talk about how silva lost the fight... and i think it's all BS... he lost the fight because weidman won. plain and simple.. weidman was better

    i'm a huge silva fan.. but respect where respect is due... weidman beat silva... silva didn't beat silva

    i still wouldn't put a penny on weidman in a rematch... but i wouldn't be shocked if he won again... he's a beast.. look up his last fight vs mark munoz... munoz is a stud, and weidman made him look like an amateur

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    alot of people having been saying that... but i disagree completely..

    Silva does that shit and wins with regularity. It's not so much being cocky, as much as it is a tactic to get his opponents to fight his game.. what typically happens, is he mocks his opponent, get's them into a headspace where they're pissed off and want to knock him the fuck out.. they throw heavy swings with evil intent... he counters and picks them apart

    what he did with weidman is nothing compared to what he did to stefan bonnar

    the difference with weidman, is he didn't fall for it... instead of headhunting, he kept his composure and strung combos.. genius on his part.. he was winging punches, throws a flicker right jab to get silva to move his head right into his left hook


    there's going to be a ton of talk about how silva lost the fight... and i think it's all BS... he lost the fight because weidman won. plain and simple.. weidman was better

    i'm a huge silva fan.. but respect where respect is due... weidman beat silva... silva didn't beat silva

    i still wouldn't put a penny on weidman in a rematch... but i wouldn't be shocked if he won again... he's a beast.. look up his last fight vs mark munoz... munoz is a stud, and weidman made him look like an amateur
    You mean Griffin? I don't 'member him fighting Bonnar..

    I mostly agree with your analysis. Weidman is a smarter Sonnen. Sonnen went off his game plan the first fight and lost. Still you knew it was only a matter of time where silva was going to get clipped and wasn't going to recover.

    Silva should have put his hands up..it may be his game, not to and it works. But, it's only going to work at most 9/10 times..
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    You mean Griffin? I don't 'member him fighting Bonnar..
    nope... i meant Bonnar... he fought Griffin years ago.. fought Bonnar a few months ago in Brazil, UFC 153. Basically did the same thing he did to Weidman, danced around.. taunted him... but then, ruthlessly let his hands (and knees) go... it was spectacularly BRUTAL

    Bonnar was then popped for roids.... how awful is that? getting popped for roids after a loss

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    nope... i meant Bonnar... he fought Griffin years ago.. fought Bonnar a few months ago in Brazil, UFC 153. Basically did the same thing he did to Weidman, danced around.. taunted him... but then, ruthlessly let his hands (and knees) go... it was spectacularly BRUTAL

    Bonnar was then popped for roids.... how awful is that? getting popped for roids after a loss
    Oh yeah, I remember now...Bonnar had no bussiness fighting Silva. Haha
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    When Silva was doing the fake stanky leg, Weidman made him do the real one damn that was funny.

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    seriously, once i realized Silva was REALLY out (even when he was on the ground.. it was like my brain couldn't be convinced he wasn't still fooling around).. i was in a state of shock for a few minutes... a friend who didnt watch the fights asked me what rogan and goldie were saying afterwards... and i was a complete blank, my brain shut off for a sec..

    i'm a huge Silva fan, and still think he's the greatest ever... and even if he loses his next 5 fights, i'll still think he's the GOAT... but nothing but respect for Weidman... he's the only person to figure out the Silva puzzle and capitalize on it.

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    What if GSP beats his streak?
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    What if GSP beats his streak?
    to be honest, and not to be unpatriotic about our countryman..

    even if GSP beats and/or ties Silva's record... i'd never put him in the same category as Silva. GSP hasn't finished anybody in over 3 years.. and that was against BJ Penn, who's half his size... every other title defense he's had have been snoozefests where he takes a man down, actively transitions while pepper punching just so it doesnt get stood up.. and he coasts to decisions.. The only impressive decision in that span was against Koschek, who was too good for him to employ his regular lay and pray tactics

    In that same period of time, Silva has DEMOLISHED Bonnar, Sonnen (2nd fight), Okami, Belfort, Griffin... had one of the most impressive comback wins against Sonnen (1st fight), and only one snoozer during that period, the Maia fight

    in terms of records, ya... GSP might match or beat the streak... in terms of greatness, no fucking way

    Jonny Bones Jones & Jose Aldo are the only champions i'd even consider being in Silva's rarefied air.

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    That's not GSP's game. He follows a very technical step-by-step game plan.

    Does it make it "boring " or a "snooze fest"? Sure. But, he still dominates.

    Silva doesn't respect his opponents and it caught up to him. GSP respects them and just follows his game plan and plays it safe.

    It's essentially a foolproof plan.
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    well that didn't take very long...

    Silva vs Weidman 2 is a go. Dec 28th.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    well that didn't take very long...

    Silva vs Weidman 2 is a go. Dec 28th.
    Dana White said after the fight, that any rematch would likely go down as the UFCs highest grossing fight.

    Pretty sure the previous high was Couture vs. Lidell #3? Could be way wrong on that.
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    Ya, I think you're wrong on that. At least, it would seem that way.

    Anyway, the most interesting part of Silva messing up was that all the champs and the UFC in general lost a bunch of potential money. Certainly, no one can be all that happy at Silva..
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    Vitor wanted to cut in line ahead of the rematch, pfff in his dreams.

    Talk about delusional.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Dana White said after the fight, that any rematch would likely go down as the UFCs highest grossing fight.

    Pretty sure the previous high was Couture vs. Lidell #3? Could be way wrong on that.
    I'm pretty sure the highest grossing card was UFC 100... i think it did something ridiculous, like 1.5 million buyrates... and the card was STACKED.. Lesnar vs Mir, GSP vs Thiago Alves, Hendo vs Bisping... it also featured a little known fighter on the prelims called Jonny Bones Jones.

    The Weidman - Silva rematch MAY come close to it... weidman-silva 1 has gotten a huge amount of major media coverage... but it's tough to compete with the ppv buys juggernaut that is Brock Lesnar..

    Only 2 fights on the card so far.. Weiman - Silva 2, and Tate - Rousey 2... but both are HUGE

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    Quote e2thed wrote: View Post
    Vitor wanted to cut in line ahead of the rematch, pfff in his dreams.

    Talk about delusional.
    lol... all it takes is the champ to refuse fighting in Brazil... since Vitor isn't allowed to fight anywhere else

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    that Overeem fight was terrible
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    Silva clowned, and got knocked out. Anyone disagreeing needs to try a bit harder to be honest with themselves. Silve lost that fight by acting like a fool. Period.

    Loving the typical GSP bashing that goes on here...as Chael Sonnen pointed out, you need to remove the idea of the "fight" and realize that you are watching a "competition". UFC/MMA supporters need to be careful about how hypocritical they can get. You don't even HAVE the UFC without the sanctions they had to get, ruling that this is a "sport". Fighting is illegal. So, if by definition, you want to set up a company based upon the premise that you are providing sports entertainment. You have designated rules, rules that each competitor has to follow, if they do and are successful in beating the opponent due to stoppage, or on points, then they are awarded the win. Its what every MMA athlete has agreed to in order to make the money they make. Whining about ANYTHING after the point is weak as everyone knows the minute an anti-MMA media guy says a word they all scream about martial arts, respect and sportsmanship.

    This brings me straight to GSP. He has more to lose than the potential champs he fights night in, and night out. NONE of the guys he has fought in the UFC have been better. He got caught with a lucky punch once, and he tapped once when he was winning and really it was a panic move, but off the record, everyone knew he was the stronger fighter to that point. NOBODY can beat his game. They can hit him, they can submit him, and they cannot stop him from doing what he want to do. Silva has been good, hell yes, but he also has looked very normal against guy who come in the ring and fight a smart and honest fight. The idiots he battles that go in and try to swing it out with him....well those are easy fights for him.

    I don't mind people saying Andrson Silva is the greatest...he may well be. What bothers me is the absolute NONSENSE they say about St. Pierre. GSP is absolutely dominant at his weight. NOBODY can beat him. He is in arguably the strongest (and has been across all fights companies for years) the toughest and most competitive weight class, where fighters actually DO have to come up the ranks and prove the deserve a shot, unlike the middleweight cat where guys get a couple good win and boom they are in the main event. You can argue it if you'd like, but I am not biting. Welter weight, and even lightweight are by far the most competitive, it numbers and averages and provable. And still, GSP stands on top, with NONE of the potential challengers ALL of which provide a very high level and threat, having any semblance of an idea about how to beat him. So, lets tone down the anti GSP ranting shall we, its ridiculous and based upon barbaric and meatheaded ideals.

    Lastly. Overeem fight was GREAT, mostly because I dislike Overeem. hahaha
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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    Silva clowned, and got knocked out. Anyone disagreeing needs to try a bit harder to be honest with themselves. Silve lost that fight by acting like a fool. Period.

    That's a bit of a dismissive statement... Silva clowns around with a lot of guys, and still wins... I'm a HUGE Silva mark, but the truth is he lost because Weidman was a better fighter that night.. he did what nobody else could, he kept his cool, kept patient, didn't fall for Silva's tricks, and capitalized with a beautiful and unexpected combo... he doubled up on his right with a flick jab to get silva to move his head into his left... that was masterful.. I have nothing but respect for Weidman, even though he beat my favourite fighter



    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    I don't mind people saying Andrson Silva is the greatest...he may well be. What bothers me is the absolute NONSENSE they say about St. Pierre. GSP is absolutely dominant at his weight. NOBODY can beat him. He is in arguably the strongest (and has been across all fights companies for years) the toughest and most competitive weight class, where fighters actually DO have to come up the ranks and prove the deserve a shot, unlike the middleweight cat where guys get a couple good win and boom they are in the main event. You can argue it if you'd like, but I am not biting. Welter weight, and even lightweight are by far the most competitive, it numbers and averages and provable. And still, GSP stands on top, with NONE of the potential challengers ALL of which provide a very high level and threat, having any semblance of an idea about how to beat him. So, lets tone down the anti GSP ranting shall we, its ridiculous and based upon barbaric and meatheaded ideals..
    as the only person speaking against gsp... I never was discounting his ability or skill.. he absolutely is dominant in his weight class (except for that time he lost his belt to serra).. but he's safe... and safe fights are boring fights... there's a reason why finishes are rewarded more highly than decision wins.. there's a reason why perennial middle of the pack fighters like joe lauzon are fan favourites and will have long lasting legacies well beyond their careers, and fighters like jon fitch and Jacob Volkmann are already forgotten..

    credit where credit is due though... his "safe" game, it is a work of art.. he has hands down the fastest phase shift level drop to a double leg.. he has a viper-like straight jab that he extends into better than anybody else... and his top control is insane..


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    Lastly. Overeem fight was GREAT, mostly because I dislike Overeem. hahaha
    I love overeem... have since pride.. his k-1 fights with badr hari are my favourite moments in combat sports, period

    but even I enjoy watching him lose at this point.. how many front kicks did browne land on him?? at some point, you gotta decide "oh shit.... i'm probably going to have to defend THAT"

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    thanks for an awesome response man, honestly.

    Silva DID clown though and he got caught. You're right, he got away with it a lot in the past, but hey, ya gotta fall sometime. I like Silva too though, I think he is an interesting dude. Next battle should be nice.

    GSP, you're right, safe isn't exciting. But I think you know what I'm saying about the whole "Sports" vs. "fight" thing. I think Dana had built a good franchise, they make serious cash. But he hung Rory out to dry the other day, and it KILLS him not to do the same to George more often. But the thing is, the very thing that ALLOWS him to have his franchise, the very guys that bring the "sport" into the game, he seems too eager to publicly fleece.

    I like the bangers as much as the next guy, but those guys will always be the fun part of the middle of he card. The Elite level simply can't be that silly, these guys are too good now, and the money is too big. All the guys that tear into GSP, his peers, will also always wan what he has, his money, his stability, his legacy....but they are too afraid to do what hey have to do to get it. I simply respect the guy huge is all....and truth be told, he'd have easily 5-7 more knockout if he wanted them, but he'd also likely not have the belt, or at the least have a couple more losses. His choice is not to lose....and he's mega rich as a result.

    Overeem....man I try to like the guy, but jesus, we all thought he juiced, then he got caught, and now it's just..... I simply see him as a bit of a douche. All that aside, his fights, over the years have been great, he's an offensive beast. But come on dude, the guy kicked ya in the face repeatedly...... I don't get it. hahaha

    ps. Hendricks is average, but he has developed the left Hook i saw a lot on the boxing ring..its a little feint/delay, and its just brutal. As good as GSP is, I'm not sure he is not in serious danger in this upcoming fight if he even loses focus for a minute. Thats a fast as hell punch and you KNOW its coming....often.

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