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    Heinze, this one come to mind...I remember this fight well. that little dip feint and POW. Watch at 30 seconds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uehFuWEkI-Q

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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    GSP, you're right, safe isn't exciting. But I think you know what I'm saying about the whole "Sports" vs. "fight" thing. I think Dana had built a good franchise, they make serious cash. But he hung Rory out to dry the other day, and it KILLS him not to do the same to George more often. But the thing is, the very thing that ALLOWS him to have his franchise, the very guys that bring the "sport" into the game, he seems too eager to publicly fleece.

    I like the bangers as much as the next guy, but those guys will always be the fun part of the middle of he card. The Elite level simply can't be that silly, these guys are too good now, and the money is too big. All the guys that tear into GSP, his peers, will also always wan what he has, his money, his stability, his legacy....but they are too afraid to do what hey have to do to get it. I simply respect the guy huge is all....and truth be told, he'd have easily 5-7 more knockout if he wanted them, but he'd also likely not have the belt, or at the least have a couple more losses. His choice is not to lose....and he's mega rich as a result.
    I would never fault GSP for doing what he has to in order to ensure long lasting riches beyond my wildest dreams.. lol

    my main argument in the Silva vs GSP argument for best ever would be.. longest winning streak ever with a majority of finishes vs. impressive win streak but safe wins in a tougher division..

    now that I really think about it though... there is no argument... it's subject of opinion... you can say that middleweight is a thinner division, but it was long the home of the strongest jitz fighter in the sport (Maia), who dropped to welter and is owning fools... so is it that welterweight is stronger, or that the gap between silva and the rest of middleweight makes them look amateurish by comparison? again... matter of opinion

    personally, I think Silva is the best ever... with GSP/Fedor/Megumi Fujii/BJ Penn/Aldo jockeying for the #2 spot.. and Jonny Jones quickly creeping up behind them

    of course, Fedor, Fujii and BJ are pretty much done... so they're only going to go down on that list... And Fujii would only be on MY list... nobody knows who the fuck she is... japanese womens straw weights aren't exactly a hot division to follow (look her up.. started her career with 22 straight victories before finally losing.. impressive submission specialist).. and to be honest, BJ is only on there for sentimental reasons at this point

    the finishes vs decisions argument is kinda pointless, to be honest... its like the Heat vs Spurs arguments... do you prefer the star laden athletic teams, or the fundamentally sound and disciplined teams.. all a matter of opinion

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    I agree with ya man

    cept about Penn... never been impressed.


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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    I agree with ya man

    cept about Penn... never been impressed.

    lol.. like I said.. Penn is purely sentimental... his absolute dismantling of Joe Stevenson was pretty much the main reason I started watching MMA more than casually.. and fighters who don't care about weight classes always have a special place in my heart... BJ fought at light heavy weight at one point.. lol

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    I love overeem... have since pride.. his k-1 fights with badr hari are my favourite moments in combat sports, period

    but even I enjoy watching him lose at this point.. how many front kicks did browne land on him?? at some point, you gotta decide "oh shit.... i'm probably going to have to defend THAT"
    But, the thing was is hew was just taking them and they were the laziest leg kicks I've ever seen. There looked to be nothing behind them. He was just throwing his leg wieght at Overeem, there was seemingly no force.

    And OVereem did.not.move.

    I was like wtf is this? Some guy is just non-chalantly throwing his leg up at you basically waiting for you to make a move and you just stand there and continued to get kicked..it was like watching two half-tards fight.
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    Dana White is bush league.
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Dana White is bush league.
    I wanna watch the fight again but my initial reactions after watching it were that Hendricks was robbed big-time.

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    I just watched the fight ... Hendricks landed some big shots, but they didn't do ANYTHING to GSP. He continued to land more shots on Hendricks and took him down twice in the 5th round. Hendricks put up the best effort so far against GSP, but if he lets it go to the judges, then he hasn't done enough to steal the belt away from the Legend that is St. Pierre.
    Great fight. GSP has a head made out of Concrete. Its amazing.

    Did he retire at the end??
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I just watched the fight ... Hendricks landed some big shots, but they didn't do ANYTHING to GSP. He continued to land more shots on Hendricks and took him down twice in the 5th round. Hendricks put up the best effort so far against GSP, but if he lets it go to the judges, then he hasn't done enough to steal the belt away from the Legend that is St. Pierre.
    Great fight. GSP has a head made out of Concrete. Its amazing.

    Did he retire at the end??
    Nobody really knows what he meant but reports came out today that GSP is feeling a bit better and Dana White is confident they will schedule a date for a rematch in a couple weeks, sounds like sometime in May.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I just watched the fight ... Hendricks landed some big shots, but they didn't do ANYTHING to GSP. He continued to land more shots on Hendricks and took him down twice in the 5th round. Hendricks put up the best effort so far against GSP, but if he lets it go to the judges, then he hasn't done enough to steal the belt away from the Legend that is St. Pierre.
    Great fight. GSP has a head made out of Concrete. Its amazing.

    Did he retire at the end??
    Yes, I agree. I wouldn't say they didn't do anything ,though.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/ufc/tim-...s-bush-league/

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/ufc/dana...tiring-speech/

    this is why Dana White is bush league.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/ufc/whit...rebuke-of-gsp/
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    agreed

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    Quote FoxMachine wrote: View Post
    agreed
    "Hey, Dana. Don't you think maybe you should talk to Georges before you start dumping on him?"

    "No...."

    Fucking pompous, arrogant asswipe.

    I love how he says at the beginning "I'm a fight promoter and GSP is the biggest draw in the company". But, yet thinks against giving the respect and consulting the guy before he dumps all over him.
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    Dana White is a piece of trash. What he has in drive and cutthroat business acumen, he more than has washed away with his ignorance and lack of character.

    He has shit all over every star that has made him cash, he doesn't give a shit about his employee's and he just bit the hand that feeds him most.

    I hope GSP leaves, immediately. Don't make that franchise another penny George.

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    Quote FoxMachine wrote: View Post
    I wanna watch the fight again but my initial reactions after watching it were that Hendricks was robbed big-time.
    agreed...

    i'm not mad though... if you let it go to decision, it turns into a popularity contest.. no matter how badly you beat the crap out of the other dude..

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    He's a middleweight.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    agreed...

    i'm not mad though... if you let it go to decision, it turns into a popularity contest.. no matter how badly you beat the crap out of the other dude..

    I agree with that kind of. I believe that you should do everything in your power to prevent it from going to decision because you can't expect to beat the champ on a decision. Hendricks was all pissed off like he got screwed, yet he held his fate in his own hands for 25 minutes. He said after the fight he was "only giving 70%"..what kind of a fucking idiot only gives 70% against the champ?

    He's saying how he wants the title more than anything and that he should be champ. Yet, he didn't even give it his all when he got his opportunity..wtf?

    What's Hendriks IQ? Fucking borderline retarded?

    Guy deserved to lose and doesn't deserve another shot..

    Give it to someone who will give it their all.
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    Quote Craig wrote: View Post
    Dana White is a piece of trash. What he has in drive and cutthroat business acumen, he more than has washed away with his ignorance and lack of character.

    He has shit all over every star that has made him cash, he doesn't give a shit about his employee's and he just bit the hand that feeds him most.

    I hope GSP leaves, immediately. Don't make that franchise another penny George.

    GSP could definitely walk, he's made around 15-20 million his last 3 fights(including this one).
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    I agree with that kind of. I believe that you should do everything in your power to prevent it from going to decision because you can't expect to beat the champ on a decision. Hendricks was all pissed off like he got screwed, yet he held his fate in his own hands for 25 minutes. He said after the fight he was "only giving 70%"..what kind of a fucking idiot only gives 70% against the champ?

    He's saying how he wants the title more than anything and that he should be champ. Yet, he didn't even give it his all when he got his opportunity..wtf?

    What's Hendriks IQ? Fucking borderline retarded?

    Guy deserved to lose and doesn't deserve another shot..

    Give it to someone who will give it their all.
    the 70% thing is totally getting taken out of context.

    he wasn't saying that he wasn't trying 100%... he was saying he was trying to only use 70% of his power... it's a 5 round fight.. he had to conserve energy where he could... GSP isn't exactly known for quick exciting fights... he's known for the 5 round grinds.. If Hendricks blew his load in the early rounds, he would have been screwed in the 5th when GSP finally managed to be competitive

    sadly, a decision win has about as much validity as being an NBA allstar... its a popularity contest, and no reflection on your actual quality of performance.. look at how many bs decisions Frankie edgar won in a row..

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    the 70% thing is totally getting taken out of context.

    he wasn't saying that he wasn't trying 100%... he was saying he was trying to only use 70% of his power... it's a 5 round fight.. he had to conserve energy where he could... GSP isn't exactly known for quick exciting fights... he's known for the 5 round grinds.. If Hendricks blew his load in the early rounds, he would have been screwed in the 5th when GSP finally managed to be competitive

    sadly, a decision win has about as much validity as being an NBA allstar... its a popularity contest, and no reflection on your actual quality of performance.. look at how many bs decisions Frankie edgar won in a row..
    But if you look at how the Rounds were scored, it comes down to the 1st Round.
    No one would, or did, disagree that GSP won the 3rd and 5th.
    No one would, or did, disagree that Hendricks won the 2nd and 4th.

    So I can't see the Frist Round being scored as a popularity contest.
    GSP took him down with ease in the First Round and landed more shots.
    Hendricks had those Elbows and a weak takedown of his own. It was a close fight.

    No one got robbed of anything. Hendricks just didn't do enough to win. Thats it.
    Just because GSP looked like Sloth from the Goonies at the end, it means shit.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    But if you look at how the Rounds were scored, it comes down to the 1st Round.
    No one would, or did, disagree that GSP won the 3rd and 5th.
    No one would, or did, disagree that Hendricks won the 2nd and 4th.

    So I can't see the Frist Round being scored as a popularity contest.
    GSP took him down with ease in the First Round and landed more shots.
    Hendricks had those Elbows and a weak takedown of his own. It was a close fight.

    No one got robbed of anything. Hendricks just didn't do enough to win. Thats it.
    Just because GSP looked like Sloth from the Goonies at the end, it means shit.
    i'll concede the first round... it was fairly even... and could have gone either way in the eyes of the judges... personally, I gave it to Hendricks... when a round is that even, I have to give it to the guy who did more damage

    in my opinion, the 3rd is just as debatable.. st pierre out pointed him on the feet.. but Hendricks had the grappling advantage.. again, i'd score it for the guy who did more damage..

    2 & 4 were all Hendricks...

    the 5th was GSPs for sure... but it was kind of lackluster... he never really had Hendricks in trouble... he just pointed the round well... GSP managed to finally get his TD game going... even though he couldn't do anything with it... literally, ZERO transitions.. topside transitions have historically been his bread and butter.. but he couldn't advance position at all

    I hate to sound like the Stockton playbook on this.... but when rounds are close, the edge should go to the guy who does the most damage.. and in that sense, I gave both the 1st and 3rd to Hendricks..

    but again... can't be mad... don't go to decisions... period. it's a crapshoot at the best of times..

    Pride rules... where a fight is judged on the entirety of the fight.. as a fight.. Hendricks is the clear winner

    Nevada rules... where a fight is judged per round and points count more than damage.... Hendricks is the winner... but I won't argue that it's not quite as decisive

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