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    My annual review of money and how it has been spent finds a total of approximately $2.03 billion was obligated to the players, which, by my count, amounts to a reduction of $82.3 million in player salaries since last season.
    Five Least Efficient Franchises

    1. Toronto Raptors, $3.15 million per win. Note that the two least efficient payrolls were the two teams abandoned last summer by Bosh and James. Much like the Cavaliers with James, the Raptors had invested in trying to build a winner around Bosh, only to see the building collapse when its foundation was removed. They don't have a player making $10m, and Andrea Bargnani is worth his $8.5m, but the contributions of Jose Calderon ($9.0m) and Leandro Barbosa ($7.1m) are hard to justify on a losing team.
    Five Most Efficient Franchises

    1. Chicago Bulls, $910,000 per win. The Bulls are benefiting from a couple of tremendous drafts, as presumptive MVP Derrick Rose (paid $5.5 million this season) and Joakim Noah ($3.1m) are still earning their original contracts. Their payroll won't be quite so attractive in the future -- Noah's salary jumps to $12.0 million next season, and Rose will eventually be a max player -- but the skeleton of an eventual championship team has been assembled. Luol Deng makes an expensive $11.3 million, but he has played in every game and the Bulls could not have finished No. 1 in the East without him. Carlos Boozer is their biggest earner at $14.4 million, while Kurt Thomas ($1.8m), Keith Bogans ($1.6m) and Taj Gibson ($1.1m) provide an excellent return. Each of the Bulls' 11 most expensive players contributed to the team's terrific season.
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    How is he justifying that Bargnani is worth his money but Calderon and Barbosa aren't? Calderon has better advanced stats than Bargnani, yet makes about the same amount. Or did this guy just look at ppg?
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    This guy clearly knows what he's talking about. King Bargs earns his keep, probably the most cost effective Raptor we have, not over paid in the slightest...probably underpaid!

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    This guy clearly knows what he's talking about. King Bargs earns his keep, probably the most cost effective Raptor we have, not over paid in the slightest...probably underpaid!
    king bargs? more like peasant bargs cause thats what he'll be once teams realize how bad he is and no one signs him.

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    king bargs? more like peasant bargs cause thats what he'll be once teams realize how bad he is and no one signs him.
    LMAO, says the guy with the James Johnson avatar lol

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    LMAO, says the guy with the James Johnson avatar lol
    LMAO, says the guy with the Andrea bargnani avatar lol

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    LMAO, says the guy with the James Johnson avatar lol
    james johnson has a much bigger impact than andrea bargnani. James johnson is a shot blocking machine gun. Bargnani can't block a pre schooler in slow motion.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    How is he justifying that Bargnani is worth his money but Calderon and Barbosa aren't? Calderon has better advanced stats than Bargnani, yet makes about the same amount. Or did this guy just look at ppg?
    Agreed. None of them are worth that much.

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    Baiting and here comes the hook... Seriously, underpaid? That's why virtually everyone in the media who had something to say about Bargnani's contract said it was too much?

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    Baiting and here comes the hook... Seriously, underpaid? That's why virtually everyone in the media who had something to say about Bargnani's contract said it was too much?
    Chris Bosh thought it was a good deal. When he got it he tweeted "Congrats to Andrea...".

    Bosh knows maxdeals, and technology, both of which Bargs IS

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    Chris Bosh thought it was a good deal. When he got it he tweeted "Congrats to Andrea...".

    Bosh knows maxdeals, and technology, both of which Bargs IS
    Yeah, congrats Andrea. Congrats on totally milking that situation.

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    Yeah, congrats Andrea. Congrats on totally milking that situation.
    You guys all supported the deal when he signed it

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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    You guys all supported the deal when he signed it
    I would say I still support it. I would agree (choke cough hack wheeze) wilth Multipaul that it is a reasonable contract, especially when signed, and especially considering the potential that was there at the time of signing. I would be ok paying him that as a 6th man if we had a true starting 4 & 5, but still pushing for him to get traded.

    Ok, back to the Paul...

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    You guys all supported the deal when he signed it
    I didn't hate the deal, but my problem with it is that it's not in line with what his role SHOULD be. That of a bench player.
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    Quote Multipaul wrote: View Post
    Chris Bosh thought it was a good deal. When he got it he tweeted "Congrats to Andrea...".

    Bosh knows maxdeals, and technology, both of which Bargs IS
    wat does bosh know? cut bosh's salary in half and he's still overpaid.

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    There's a massive flaw with this type of calculation: quite often, teams that are near the bottom of standings will look to make moves mid-season that take on significant salary in the short term, in order to buy themselves salary flexibility in the long-term. In our case, that's Peja. The author never mentions him in the article, but if you subtract Peja's nearly 15 million from our payroll, we drop down to about 2.5 million per. Same story as with Minnesota and Curry (who the author does mention - makes you wonder why he explained it for Curry but didn't for Peja, when Peja actually distorts the numbers more). Point is that from our perspective, efficiency this year was sacrificed for flexibility going forward, a trade-off that every GM would make.

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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post
    There's a massive flaw with this type of calculation: quite often, teams that are near the bottom of standings will look to make moves mid-season that take on significant salary in the short term, in order to buy themselves salary flexibility in the long-term. In our case, that's Peja. The author never mentions him in the article, but if you subtract Peja's nearly 15 million from our payroll, we drop down to about 2.5 million per. Same story as with Minnesota and Curry (who the author does mention - makes you wonder why he explained it for Curry but didn't for Peja, when Peja actually distorts the numbers more). Point is that from our perspective, efficiency this year was sacrificed for flexibility going forward, a trade-off that every GM would make.
    Actually, I think that's kind of the point isn't it? From a pure financial standpoint, poorly managed teams, are paying out hard earned cash on contracts that produce poorly. In the case of Peja and Curry, it's even worse, they are getting nothing but 'future' cap space. In the case of those fiscally inefficient teams, they end up having to take on salary in order to dump their own problem players (e.g. Jack, Banks) and/or acquire potentially useful assets (e.g. Bayless, Juju).

    Now when Peja comes off the books, we will become more financially efficient. But history has shown that BC just cannot resist overpaying for mid-tier talent, and immediately using up whatever cap space becomes available.

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    It was signed based on potential. The guy has only lived up to one side of it. He shows no sign of ever living up to the blue collar side of it.

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    First off the only person in the world who you can find in the media who supports your stance is Winston. That should tell you a lot right there.

    Second. Simmons isn't the basketball ruler of the world and gets things wrong like anybody else. The reference to this article is difficult to form an opinion on one way or another when the article isn't actually posted here for us to see.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    First off the only person in the world who you can find in the media who supports your stance is Winston. That should tell you a lot right there.

    Second. Simmons isn't the basketball ruler of the world and gets things wrong like anybody else. The reference to this article is difficult to form an opinion on one way or another when the article isn't actually posted here for us to see.
    I can post my references:

    1. Wayne Winston: http://waynewinston.com/wordpress/?p=1047

    2. Ian Thomsen: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1J1DcV4mi

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