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The Lockout & the Raptors: Players approve CBA, Owners too! (1944)
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Hugmenot wrote: View PostWhere did you get that information?
The following summary PDF says 55% for this year with a minimum of 47% for each year covered in the CBA.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ary/index.html
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Matt52 wrote: View PostEdits to my reply were started before your reply came up. I had to attend to an infant slam dancing off the back of the couch - fun times.
And thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't noticed the addendums.
The 30% makes much more sense. I had initially balked at the '30 players requirement' but didn't think much of it.
I don't think they'll be able to get 226 guys to agree to the move.
Because, as you stated, the risks are pretty heavy.
But at the same time, besides the contracts they have (that aren't actually being recognized) they don't reeally have much else to lose, I guess.
I'm sure their Legal Counsel is extremely well paid and capable of ... (uh oh)
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From Grantland.com, a long but informative read breaking down all the dollars and cents of it all:
So, the players must cave, right? They need paychecks and the owners appear indifferent. The short answer is yes. Economically speaking, they should cave immediately. They are going to lose more money from missing games than they will lose from taking a worse deal. And the players will eventually cave. There will be basketball again. But it's the system that causes reluctance. Sure enough, it's being reported that the owners are not offering 50 percent with a system the players covet, but are instead offering a choice: (1) a 50 percent split with a restrictive system, OR (2) a 47 percent split with a non-restrictive system. So, the players are in a situation where they have already lost, already given so much, and already covered the owners' losses (some of which are unrelated to players' salaries), and they now must choose between keeping more raw money or protecting that middle class of players. Not nearly as simple as dividing a $4 billion pie.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...y-players-cave
I don't perceive this as protecting the middle class. The middle class will still get paid - it just might not be in South Beach.
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Hugmenot wrote: View PostWhere did you get that information?
The following summary PDF says 55% for this year with a minimum of 47% for each year covered in the CBA.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ary/index.html
And the first hit on Google, for NFL Revenue Sharing, indeed states its 75% of all revenues. Close enough.
Big Brother NFL is at it again with revenue sharing. Football teams split about 75% of all league revenue, which is the main reason teams like the Green Bay Packers are able to compete with large-market revenue-generating monsters like the Jets, Giants, Cowboys, Redskins and Patriots.
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ADD I believe the 55% and 47% you state are the Player-Owner split. Not Owner-Owner split.Last edited by Joey; Fri Nov 4, 2011, 06:43 PM.
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For those in need of a bit of trivia...the law firm of Proskauer Rose are/have been advising the NBA on strategy and events. Funny thing, they were the same firm who advised Bettman and the NHL and the NFL. I can only assume these guys know their way around sports law and have planned for a decertification process.
Personally I think Garnett and company alongwith a few agents are blowing smoke to get a better deal when the PA meet Stern tomorrow. And I dont begrudge them that. But do they all have the stones to go further? I am not sure they even have the 120 players (30%) to go thru step 1 of the process. One need only to see the names of the players pushing for this...all high end/paid players or those at career end. Step 2 would be 50% of the membership and after missing a few chks. thats going to be even a larger hurdle. Like Stackhouse said in an interview: the players are bit too emotional a lot to be negotiating the cba against a Stern. Let Hunter do it. (I paraphrase). I would also give the players the money or some more above 50% but clamp down on the system issues. and start the damn season.
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Bendit wrote: View PostFor those in need of a bit of trivia...the law firm of Proskauer Rose are/have been advising the NBA on strategy and events. Funny thing, they were the same firm who advised Bettman and the NHL and the NFL. I can only assume these guys know their way around sports law and have planned for a decertification process.
Personally I think Garnett and company alongwith a few agents are blowing smoke to get a better deal when the PA meet Stern tomorrow. And I dont begrudge them that. But do they all have the stones to go further? I am not sure they even have the 120 players (30%) to go thru step 1 of the process. One need only to see the names of the players pushing for this...all high end/paid players or those at career end. Step 2 would be 50% of the membership and after missing a few chks. thats going to be even a larger hurdle. Like Stackhouse said in an interview: the players are bit too emotional a lot to be negotiating the cba against a Stern. Let Hunter do it. (I paraphrase). I would also give the players the money or some more above 50% but clamp down on the system issues. and start the damn season.
That was after the tweet from Glen Davis:
And of course then we have this reality from CBSSports.com:
Now, granted, this is coming from the brother of Mark Cuban, who has switched sides in the past few weeks to become one of those pushing for a deal and notably linked to reports about helping bring the BRI to within range of a deal. It's a long way from any sort of movement. But if nothing else, the two public comments indicate that there's more movement here than either side is letting on, if they'd just get their egos out of the way.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...484/33082933/3
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I believe the weekend is the end-game....two weeks for cleanup and free agency, another two for training camp and a couple of games and the first games just before Christmas and possibly a 60-65 game season. A league with more parity...at least I hope.
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joey_hesketh wrote: View PostI believe the 55% and 47% you state are the Player-Owner split. Not Owner-Owner split.
Bendit wrote: View PostAnd if I am not mistaken there is a shave of the top (before the division) of about 2 billion I believe. I stand to be corrected as I cant be too interested right now about verifying this. The "billions" leave me underwhelmed!
Bottom line, the 1700 or so NFL players will receive about $4.5B of a $8(+)B pie. Each owner will more or less receive $110 million to cover the non-player salary expenses and to turn a profit. While I believe the owners could have negotiated a better deal in time, I also believe they were much more likely to be flexible on some thorny issues when the end results is a CBA under which their franchises will continue to be very profitable.
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Hugmenot wrote: View PostYes, the NFL players are guaranteed 55% of the revenues this year and at least 47% of the revenues every other year of the CBA.
Two totally different things.
I was never talking about the BRI % split between the Players and Owners.
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Seems few have any optimism for Saturday's labour talks. Given every talks before had high optimism, that might be a good thing.
The NBA ownership group's labor committee will reopen talks with the players' side Saturday afternoon, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard, a meeting one general manager, who has spoken with a few owners, described as "headed straight for disaster."
The talks will follow a meeting between the NBA's 30 owners Saturday morning in which they will discuss revenue sharing and the state of negotiations, sources told Broussard.
But optimism is not running high.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/71...ks-sources-say
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