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    The coaching staff there did a really good job developing Ed, to the point where I think he has a home in the NBA,” said Terry, who played 10 seasons with the Dallas Mavericks, Heat, Washington Wizards and Denver Nuggets and was handed the nickname Chop by one of his coaches, Ron Rothstein.
    This makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I still remember Ed's and Terry's faces on draft night last year - they were not pleased about representing Toronto. Hopefully his home is Toronto - and it was not meant in Toronto will develop my son and he will settle in elsewhere (I actually never thought about the negative until just now - I originally interpreted the comment as Toronto is his NBA home).

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    ED should workout with Dorsey....imagine Davis with Dorsey's bod....watch out Dwight....CB?
    Joey Graham was a monster. 26 reps of 185lbs. Combine Record. Ed should call him up.

    Or just call up Lebron and ask what he took and how much.

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    I hope that daivs can beconme the center we need and we can move bargs to PF. im wiling to give bargnani a chance at power forward if we have a real center ( befed up ed davis).starting line up of :
    C-davis
    PF-bargs
    SF-Johnson/ barnes or dwilliams
    SG- demar
    PG bayless or irving ( maybe jose)

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Joey Graham was a monster. 26 reps of 185lbs. Combine Record. Ed should call him up.

    Or just call up Lebron and ask what he took and how much.

    Hey definitely took a cycle of something to get that deeezed.

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    Quote pesterm1 wrote: View Post
    I hope that daivs can beconme the center we need and we can move bargs to PF. im wiling to give bargnani a chance at power forward if we have a real center ( befed up ed davis).starting line up of :
    Dude he will beef up but this is not the days of Antonio Davis - putting him night after night against bigger guys will wear him down. The solution is move bargs and bring in a Decent center who puts in an honest night of defense and rebounding.

    and yes I would be open to Marc Gasol Zaza Pechulia but would prefer Tyson Chandler or Roy Hibbert
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    Quote pesterm1 wrote: View Post
    I hope that daivs can beconme the center we need and we can move bargs to PF. im wiling to give bargnani a chance at power forward if we have a real center ( befed up ed davis).starting line up of :
    C-davis
    PF-bargs
    SF-Johnson/ barnes or dwilliams
    SG- demar
    PG bayless or irving ( maybe jose)
    Tell me what really the difference in the paint is with these two scenario:

    Scenario A:
    C: Andrea Bargnani
    PF: Ed Davis

    Scenario B:
    C: Ed Davis
    PF: Andrea Bargnani

    Do they not still suffer from the exact same deficiencies?

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    Quote charlz wrote: View Post
    and yes I would be open to Marc Gasol Zaza Pechulia but would prefer Tyson Chandler or Roy Hibbert
    Zaza = Gortat?

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    For years we had bosh as an undersized center. It doesn't work. Even if Ed gains 20lbs, he is not a centre or the "second big" with bargnani. This doesn't look good.

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    I was just suggeuesting i would be wiling to try it. ed davis is still really weak and is a rookie. he will improove and bargnani may still improove. dont get me wrong guys, i have no problem with moving bargnani but you never know what could work and what wont. im at the point though where i tihnk the defense wont improove until a big change is made( trding bargnani). calderon and bargs are the only players left to be traded to make this a full rebuild from ground up. i tihnk if we brought in a defensive ccenter the whole team would feel the possotive effect and it would have a better result on the record.Bargnani is a great player but changes need to be made.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Joey Graham was a monster. 26 reps of 185lbs. Combine Record. Ed should call him up.

    Or just call up Lebron and ask what he took and how much.

    dudes like 1 in 7 billion athlete. he definetly doesnt take roids but he should be BIGGER lol

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    he needs to be 245 - 260 lbs of solid muscle

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Tell me what really the difference in the paint is with these two scenario:

    Scenario A:
    C: Andrea Bargnani
    PF: Ed Davis

    Scenario B:
    C: Ed Davis
    PF: Andrea Bargnani

    Do they not still suffer from the exact same deficiencies?
    If Ed Davis gains enough strength to guard the post up player closer to the basket, would it change the distribution of last line of help defense sufficiently to have an impact?

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    Ed would have to be all-star good next year to carry the Bargnani.

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    Quote Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    If Ed Davis gains enough strength to guard the post up player closer to the basket, would it change the distribution of last line of help defense sufficiently to have an impact?
    a good point was brought up from the RR article this morning. What if Ed put on some muscle this year and continued to to do so nafter next season. Ed could come in next year and play the roll that reggie evans player and make up for bargnanis weakness'. it worked pretty well for the raptors at the begining of the year with andrea and reg but the main problem was that reggie doesnt have much offense. with daivs this isnt the case, he is much bigger then reggie and will be bable to defend the larger center ( something reggie has done in the past this season) Offense wont be a problem with ed because he has already shown he has a decent offensive game and im sure it will improove. also ed's dad was a very tough player in this league and i tihnk terry davis will play a large part in developing ed by preparing him mentaly and showing him how to be agressive on the floor and get into other players heads. also for its been brought up over the last few games but ed has constantly been announced at the intros as a 7 foor starting center. just putting that out there. whether we think he is or not it seems like the toronto raptors think that he is a center ( possibly in KGish , C/PF) . and i think the defense wuld look alot differnt if we had ed in the middle rather than bargnani on defense. our rebuild is gonna continue at least 2 more years so i see no problem with ed being able to be a solid center or a very solid PF if it doesnt work out .

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    Ed davis is gonna be scary when he bulks up

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    This all sounds so homo-erotic.
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Those guys probably didn't go about it the right way. I'd need to see their workout regimes before taking that stance.

    For example, if you neglect core training, the bigger you get and the heavier weights you lift will increase your chances of hurting your back.
    It's all about muscular balance. The same way if all you do is train the frontal deltoids, you risk injury the side and rear deltoids. Same goes for arms. Biceps developed more than triceps? Expect an injury.

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    not only that.. but he's gotta get ample cardio training in... if you're going to increase your mass, you gotta make sure your frame can support the added mass. all the muscle in the world is useless if you have the strength of a pigeon in your knees and ankles... plus you gotta have the gas tank to move that kinda load around
    Cardio will only help on that last part; to move around the larger frame. The rest is addressed by doing full squats and deadlifts. Best lower body/pure strength exercises out there.
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    Ed would have to be all-star good next year to carry the Bargnani.
    I don't think ED will ever be dominant enough to carry Bargnani.

    Sacramento might the best spot the more I think about it for Bargnani. Cousins, while arguably nuts but more likely immature, is 6'11" and 270lbs. I had not realized he was that big - I was thinking 6'10" 240-250. He averaged just under 16 points and 10 rebs a game at Kentucky in under 24 minutes. This year, while his shooting % was awful, he managed 14 and under 9 rebs per game but averaged 2.5 assists - I think the assists is important as an inside out game with him and Bargnani might become be a very tough matchup for any team next year.

    For the Raptors to ever be successful with Bargnani they are going to need a very dominant inside presence at the PF (think Cousins), a big, rebounding, defensive minded SF (think Josh SMith or Shawn Marion in PHX), and a defensive stopper at PG (think Rondo or Felton).

    I think it would be easier to build a winner without him if his trade could return young prospects or draft picks that become legit NBA players.

    It is almost the same position SEA were in with Ray Allen - sure they could have kept him but it was in neither's best interest (granted Allen was 6 years older in the same circumstances).

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    I noticed this thought being thrown around in a couple places: "Ed Davis wants to put on weight so he can play center". Ed is a power forward, he will always be a power forward, and moving him to center is just a bad idea, no matter how much weight he puts on. He can be dominant from the power forward position if he puts on some weight since he's already a good rebounder and has some post skills. That's what I think Ed should focus on, becoming a taller, more athletic version of Carlos Boozer. We haven't had a real low post scorer on this team since the Bosh era began and I think Ed has that ability, especially from the four.
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    I noticed this thought being thrown around in a couple places: "Ed Davis wants to put on weight so he can play center". Ed is a power forward, he will always be a power forward, and moving him to center is just a bad idea, no matter how much weight he puts on. He can be dominant from the power forward position if he puts on some weight since he's already a good rebounder and has some post skills. That's what I think Ed should focus on, becoming a taller, more athletic version of Carlos Boozer. We haven't had a real low post scorer on this team since the Bosh era began and I think Ed has that ability, especially from the four.
    I 100% agree. Making ED a C is not going to help the franchise or the player in the long run. He is a 4. Does anyone not remember when Bosh played C?

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