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    Default What young wings should the Raptors Pursue?

    There are tons of threads about bad Bargnani's Post D is and the Raps lack of a true defensive presence inside,but that hole wouldn't be so glaring if the Raptors perimeter D wasn't just as horrendous as they're post D was. It's common sense that our big's would have do a better job of protecting the rim if every PG in the league wasn't blowing past Calderon for easy penetration. Demar ,for as much as he is growing on the offense end, still has not learned how to play effective defense yet. One bright spot is that James Johnson has shown potential but I do not think he is a long term answer at SF.



    Great teams always have defensive stoppers on the wing, like Artest or Bowen, so the question is what young defensive minded or athletic wing would you go after?
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    xavier henry
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    he also fills our glaring hole of "perimeter shooting"
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    wilson chandler or jeff green

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    If I'm not drafting Derrick Williams (and i'm not sure i'm sold on him as a top 3 pick) I don't go after a 3. I'm fine with James Johnson getting a lot of burn and I retain and give more minutes to Julian Wright (although, it seems like the management/coaching staff would disagree) we definitely do need an upgrade at the 3 spot at some point but I don't think that where i invest my time as gm. With the emergence of Bayless as a servicable (?) starting point guard (although I'm not sure I'd want him as my starting point guard) the C is the problem. I don't want to hi jack your thread, so I guess what I'll say is that if we can't get irving and we can't package our pick for a center, then I probably draft Williams and play him at SF.
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    xavier henry
    I would like to get him as well. Maybe the prospect of his $2M guaranteed contract with Gay's contract, Randolph's extension, and possible big pay day for Gasol makes him expendable in the new CBA environment given they have Young and Allen as well.

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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    If I'm not drafting Derrick Williams (and i'm not sure i'm sold on him as a top 3 pick) I don't go after a 3. I'm fine with James Johnson getting a lot of burn and I retain and give more minutes to Julian Wright (although, it seems like the management/coaching staff would disagree) we definitely do need an upgrade at the 3 spot at some point but I don't think that where i invest my time as gm. With the emergence of Bayless as a servicable (?) starting point guard (although I'm not sure I'd want him as my starting point guard) the C is the problem. I don't want to hi jack your thread, so I guess what I'll say is that if we can't get irving and we can't package our pick for a center, then I probably draft Williams and play him at SF.
    The one thing is that Bayless killed it when he got the starting role, which is what is clouding my judgment on the whole drafting Kyrie Irving, although he is clearly the best player in the draft and I think his PG vision and his D are better then scouts are saying, 17.8 PPG and 4 APG are impressive numbers as a freshmen. Derrick Williams at SF is interesting because if he were to to Start our starting 5 would be HUGE:

    Bayless 6'3
    Derozan 6'7
    Williams 6'8/6'9 (250lbs)
    Ed or Bargs 6'10 or 7' (depending on if we get a true center)
    Bargs or replacement 7' again

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    I don't think Derrick Williams is the solution on the wing. If we draft him and play him as a starting small forward he is going to suck his first year, if we draft him as a project and let him learn the new position then down the road he could be nice.

    James Johnson is finding a role and should come back next season more focused and a little more crisp. Remember he did not play all year till he got to Toronto, he was just starting to get into real game shape.

    Xavier Henry I am not sold on, although he has a great frame I don't see him having the length to guard the 3 spot. The nice thing is he may have learned a thing or two from Tony Allen.

    Here are a few more names to think about

    Arron Afflalo SG unrestricted
    Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF restricted
    Thaddeus Young Combo Forward restricted
    Mickael Pietrus G/F Unrestricted with a player option

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    I don't think Derrick Williams is the solution on the wing. If we draft him and play him as a starting small forward he is going to suck his first year, if we draft him as a project and let him learn the new position then down the road he could be nice.

    James Johnson is finding a role and should come back next season more focused and a little more crisp. Remember he did not play all year till he got to Toronto, he was just starting to get into real game shape.

    Xavier Henry I am not sold on, although he has a great frame I don't see him having the length to guard the 3 spot. The nice thing is he may have learned a thing or two from Tony Allen.

    Here are a few more names to think about

    Arron Afflalo SG unrestricted
    Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF restricted
    Thaddeus Young Combo Forward restricted
    Mickael Pietrus G/F Unrestricted with a player option
    Good sugesstions, Afflalo and Mbah a Moute are both underrated. Both are great defenders and could be signed for relatively cheap.Afflalo has a decent stroke that isn't talked about enough and Mbah a Moute can play multiple positions and is a solid rebounder. These guys aren't stars but they are the type of hard-nosed guys that winning teams put around their foundation and any team would want.
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    [QUOTE=WJF;78598]
    Arron Afflalo SG unrestricted
    Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF restricted
    Thaddeus Young Combo Forward restricted
    Mickael Pietrus G/F Unrestricted with a player option[/QUOTE

    A.Afflalo can be used at the SF postion.He lacks size for it but is a great perimeter defender,he shoots the 3 well and he improved a lot this season.He improves every year and will become even better.
    Mbah a moute...I don't know.I'm not convinced he is much better than J.Johnson.I'd give JJ a chance next season.He didn't play bad since he got here so I think he deserves at least a chance.Replacing him with guy like mbah a moute isn't really much improvement.
    Seeing how Thaddeus Young plays in the playoffs makes me REALLY want the guy in raptors uniform.Pietrus the same.Nice options by the way and if I'm B.Colangelo I'd really pursue 3 of them.
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    Josh Smith. There have been rumblings of the Hawks shuffling the deck in the off-season. With him an Ed Davis at the forwards spots suddenly the defense looks far more threatening.

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    Josh Smith. There have been rumblings of the Hawks shuffling the deck in the off-season. With him an Ed Davis at the forwards spots suddenly the defense looks far more threatening.
    When considering a starting lineup, would you look at Smith as a 3 or 4? Is Davis a 4 or 5?

    Personally, I think Smith's desired position is SF and would work best there - with or without Bargnani.

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    I would like to get him as well. Maybe the prospect of his $2M guaranteed contract with Gay's contract, Randolph's extension, and possible big pay day for Gasol makes him expendable in the new CBA environment given they have Young and Allen as well.
    There's the kid I love. Tony Allen is one of the toughest dudes in the NBA. He can be a bit of a knucklehead at times, but I'd love to see him in a Raps uniform. He plays tough D, has mad hops, won a championship in Boston..

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    When considering a starting lineup, would you look at Smith as a 3 or 4? Is Davis a 4 or 5?

    Personally, I think Smith's desired position is SF and would work best there - with or without Bargnani.
    Josh Smith entered the league as a 3 and played the position a lot until they inserted Marvin Williams into the starting five. I feel his game has evolved a lot since then and he can certainly shift back. He's exactly who you want on the LeBron James' and Carmelo Anthony's of the league.

    I think Bargnani would be outbound in a Josh Smith trade. Bargnani might look nice next to Horford.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Josh Smith entered the league as a 3 and played the position a lot until they inserted Marvin Williams into the starting five. I feel his game has evolved a lot since then and he can certainly shift back. He's exactly who you want on the LeBron James' and Carmelo Anthony's of the league.

    I think Bargnani would be outbound in a Josh Smith trade. Bargnani might look nice next to Horford.
    Smith is a 3/4 tweener for sure, although he would not help out our 3 point shooting he would bring some much needed defensive help, and we could go up tempo with him at the 4 spot for stretches and not get hurt. What would it take to get him and his 12.5 mil contract? Would Amir, Barbosa (if he picks up his option) and next years pick get it done?

    James Johnson could be the easy answer here. Although inconsistent he put up decent numbers in his first regular playing time in the league. Just over 1 block, 1 steal, 3 dimes and almost 5 boards in 28 minutes is pretty good, add in the 9 points per game for the 24 year old and that looks good. IF he can improve his 3 ball a little and come in to camp (it there is one) in better shape he could easily be a 12 and 6.5 guy with over a block and steal.

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    People forget JJ didn't have any time in training camp with the team. With a better grasp of the plays and schemes he's going to be that much better.
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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    I don't think Derrick Williams is the solution on the wing. If we draft him and play him as a starting small forward he is going to suck his first year, if we draft him as a project and let him learn the new position then down the road he could be nice.

    James Johnson is finding a role and should come back next season more focused and a little more crisp. Remember he did not play all year till he got to Toronto, he was just starting to get into real game shape.

    Xavier Henry I am not sold on, although he has a great frame I don't see him having the length to guard the 3 spot. The nice thing is he may have learned a thing or two from Tony Allen.

    Here are a few more names to think about

    Arron Afflalo SG unrestricted
    Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF restricted
    Thaddeus Young Combo Forward restricted
    Mickael Pietrus G/F Unrestricted with a player option
    really? u tihnk he will suck? alot of NBA gm's are saying he might not end up the best player of this draft class but he is the most skilled and strongest at this point and he will most likely be the rookie of the year. sry dont have a source but i read articles on it a few weeks ago.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    When considering a starting lineup, would you look at Smith as a 3 or 4? Is Davis a 4 or 5?

    Personally, I think Smith's desired position is SF and would work best there - with or without Bargnani.
    thats the wierd thing about bargnani. i think a trade is what is best but if were able to get a player like josh smith at the SF id be kinda interested to test the waters with bargnani as our PF/c and Davis as our C/PF and Smith as our sf/pf.

    alothough if we could get a solid C in the middle then our BIgs are very scary and would have great defense. there are just so many variables with bargnani and trade possibilities.

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    Quote pesterm1 wrote: View Post
    really? u tihnk he will suck? alot of NBA gm's are saying he might not end up the best player of this draft class but he is the most skilled and strongest at this point and he will most likely be the rookie of the year. sry dont have a source but i read articles on it a few weeks ago.
    I should have used the word struggle. He is not a wing player right now, he will need to adjust to a new position that has loads of talent in the East right now. Draftexpress (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...Williams-5811/), a solid source, has him listed as a power forward with potential positions as only power forward, other sites have him as a SF or combo. Now I do see some ability for him to play on the perimeter but it will take some time to make that switch full time. That is what I meant, not suck so much as struggle with growing pains.

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    I never realized Josh Smith is only 25 yrs old. thats exactly the kinda guy we need. if we traded for smith and got gasol..... watch out !

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