Noah versus Amir Johnson

[Raptor4Ever]

I am looking at Noah play today and I am looking at his profile in NBA.com.

Noah is ONLY 6'11" which is the same height as guess who ? Amir Johnson
Noah is ONLY born in 1985 and Amir is Born in 1987 so Amir is two year younger.

Both guys came to the league same size, both kinda skinny for their position.

Noah embraced his role as a defensive stopper, a Center in this league, spent time in the gym, added to his bulk, focused on the work and ...
Now, he is one of the most prominent Centers in the league.


On the Other hand, Amir is NOT willing to accept the challenge that my team needs a center and I have the height and the supposed defensive ability. Why don't I take it as a challenge to myself and say, Hey, I am going to spent time in the gym and Bulk up and be that defensive Stopper that you need ?? There is no Need for you to bring in a guy, I am your GUY. I am your leader ( he claims he wants to be the leader) and hence, I will work hard to address your need because at the end of the day:

What does Noah have that I DON'T ???

But too bad. Amir does not say these things but asks for a Center to Bail him out.
He asks for a big brother to fight his battles while he creates a youtube video !!!

[WhatWhat]

Why are you making such a big deal out of this? And Amir came in the league measured at 6'9", btw.

[MangoKid]

Noah played 3 seasons at a top-notch school and got ample playing time. Amir came straight out of high school and got little playing time while in Detroit. It's one thing to work and hone/perfect your skills in practice, and it's another to actually get playing time in an actual game and be able to put those skills to use. Noah was getting 20-plus minutes right out of the gate. This is the first time in Johnson's 6 years in the league that he's averaged over 20 minutes - and he put up some solid numbers.

In terms of body, Noah is 2 inches taller and much heavier than Johnson (at least 20-25 pounds heavier). Noah's body could withstand to play the 5. He had the length and height, plus he's heavier than Amir. Now, Amir has length, but not as much as Noah, and one of Amir's best attributes is his quickness. If he puts on weight, I don't think Amir could handle rigours of playing the 5, especially being undersized, plus he'd lose some of that quickness. Asking the guy to be the regular 5 next season shouldn't be an option. And to say that he's not helping his team by wanting to become the team's starting centre is a bit unrealistic.

[Raptor4Ever]

Why are you making such a big deal out of this? And Amir came in the league measured at 6'9", btw.

Yes, but he was 18. Based on ever account and looking at him and ... he is almost 7 now.

[MangoKid]

Yes, but he was 18. Based on ever account and looking at him and ... he is almost 7 now.

He's still 6'9". He hasn't grown. At least not to my knowledge. And if he has, please do post your source on it because every site has him listed as 6'9".

[Raptor4Ever]

In terms of body, Noah is 2 inches taller and much heavier than Johnson (at least 20-25 pounds heavier). Noah's body could withstand to play the 5.

Noah is not 2 inches taller than Amir since Amir is not 6'9" anymore.



You brought up the weight and this is what this whole thread is about. Look at picture of Noah on Draft night.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...ght-suits-ever

The guy was even skinner than Amir and in 3 season he transofrmed his body. He embraced the role and said I am going to get my body where it should be.

I am asking why Amir is not embracing the role of Center !! Why is not willing to work hard on the body !!!
The stuff about school and ... is irrelevant. I am not asking Amir to be as good as Noah right now.

I am asking why is he bailing OUT on the role, Why isn't he embracing the challenge ?
Instead of asking for a center, he could have just said this is going to be his focus because as a " LEADER" of this team, he sees the need of him becoming a 5 so he can be effective beside Ed

[Raptor4Ever]

He's still 6'9". He hasn't grown. At least not to my knowledge. And if he has, please do post your source on it because every site has him listed as 6'9".

Based on every account. Just do little search on line or look at Buddah fan's older post ( the guy was obsessed with Amir). Amir has grown atlkeast 2 inches since he has been in this league. This was one of selling point of Amir here last summer that he is NOT 6'9".

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2007/1...ury-and-height

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Johnson

"ohnson was selected by the Pistons with the 56th pick of the 2005 NBA Draft. He is listed at 6'9" (2.06 m) and 210 lb (95 kg) but has reportedly grown to 6'11" (2.11m)[1] since being drafted. Known for his athleticism"

http://www.pistonsforum.com/detroit-...spiracy-7.html
http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress..._johnsons.html


Do you need more sources or can I stop ?

[Tim W.]

Why do you feel the need to constantly criticize Amir just because Bargnani gets so much criticism? It's pretty transparent.

[Raptor4Ever]

This is Noah on Draft Day:

http://www.slamdunkcentral.com/2007/...noah-and-gray/

Look at the difference in 3 years. This has nothing to do with being in college and playing. This is a guy who said, I want to be center and I am going to get my body there Versus a guy who said, I need a big brother to help me out since I be too busy making youtube video

[Raptor4Ever]

Why do you feel the need to constantly criticize Amir just because Bargnani gets so much criticism? It's pretty transparent.

Get off AB's cock for a second, would you ? Why do you think I am discussing Amir because of AB ?? Not everyone is like fixating on one Player and ...

I want Toronto Raptors to be a BETTER TEAM.

We supposedly have a guy who is defensive monster, a rebounding Machine and has the height and all to play a center position ONLY if he gets his ass to the gym and have the dedication that Noah showed to building his body for the position.

However, he chooses to take the easy rout and ask the organization for a Center to Back him up and Claims all our Problems is because the Organization is not giving them the " REAL CENTER ".

That my friend, is bailing out on the team and running away from responsibility.

[Matt52]

It is no doubt Noah packed on the pounds. Between the munchies

Chicago Bull Joakim Noah was arrested in Gainsville, Florida early this morning for violating an open container law, and police later found a joint in a pack of cigarettes in his pocket. He's facing two misdemeanor charges.

and the partying

“These are the playoffs, the big games, the victory which really matters,” he added, impatient to be back. “I really want to play. More, Tom Thibodeau doesn’t want me to come during travels. They leave and I have to stay in Chicago. We are in winter here, it’s cold, it’s not funny… So I started to party a little too much. But it’s finished now. I only have five weeks more.”

he has been able to pack on the pounds. LOL

http://www.hoopsnotes.com/teams/chic...arty-too-much/
http://chicagoist.com/2008/05/25/joakim_noah_arr.php

[WhatWhat]

Why aren't you demanding that Bargnani, who is bigger and much stronger than Amir take this unnecessary challenge. Hasn't Bargnani said that he needs to get better at rebounding and defense?

Amir simply doesn't have the type of body that can put on enough strength to play center full-time. He probably knows that he and Davis will still get overpowered at times, so we will need a bigger body in there. That's it.

Why are you making such a big deal out of this, honestly? It's not like Amir is going to avoid the gym this offseason. I'm sure he enjoys getting knocked around so much.

[Raptor4Ever]

It is no doubt Noah packed on the pounds. Between the munchies
and the partying
he has been able to pack on the pounds. LOL

LOOOLL, I know !! between all that Partying and ... He was still able to become a dominate inside presence and push the like of Amir Johnson around under the basket like they are paper weight !!! Damn !!!

[Raptor4Ever]

Why aren't you demanding that Bargnani, who is bigger and much stronger than Amir take this unnecessary challenge.

I am asking the so called the Leader of this team to Step up. The Most Positive Impact Player, the best defensive player, the best statistically efficient Raptor to Step Up !!!

Why am I making a big deal ?? Read my reply to Tim . Because I want my team to be better. Why shouldn't I make a big of it when I see a skinny kid like Noah can go through this transformation while Amir, our great leader, does not want to even take on the challenge. Accountability Pal, Accountability.

[MangoKid]

Noah is not 2 inches taller than Amir since Amir is not 6'9" anymore.



You brought up the weight and this is what this whole thread is about. Look at picture of Noah on Draft night.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...ght-suits-ever

The guy was even skinner than Amir and in 3 season he transofrmed his body. He embraced the role and said I am going to get my body where it should be.

I am asking why Amir is not embracing the role of Center !! Why is not willing to work hard on the body !!!
The stuff about school and ... is irrelevant. I am not asking Amir to be as good as Noah right now.

I am asking why is he bailing OUT on the role, Why isn't he embracing the challenge ?
Instead of asking for a center, he could have just said this is going to be his focus because as a " LEADER" of this team, he sees the need of him becoming a 5 so he can be effective beside Ed

Noah skinnier than Amir? When Amir was drafted, he was like 200 pounds. Noah was 225 pounds. How would you say that Noah has tranformed his body? By putting on 8-10 pounds?

How is the stuff about school irrelevant? Noah got top-notch coaching from Billy Donovan and got a chance to hone his skills with playing time.

Like I said in an earlier post, one of Amir's greatest assets is his quickness. If he puts on weight to try to become a 5, he'll lose that quickness.

[Matt52]

Noah skinnier than Amir? When Amir was drafted, he was like 200 pounds. Noah was 225 pounds. How would you say that Noah has tranformed his body? By putting on 8-10 pounds?

How is the stuff about school irrelevant? Noah got top-notch coaching from Billy Donovan and got a chance to hone his skills with playing time.

Like I said in an earlier post, one of Amir's greatest assets is his quickness. If he puts on weight to try to become a 5, he'll lose that quickness.

Don't forget the age difference. Amir turns 24 in a couple of weeks - what will he look like in 2 years?

[WhatWhat]

Amir at about the 3:50 mark in the final news conference said "I think that we could use a legit center, but I think that it can work with all of the 4s on the floor."

And why does want to be a leader mean that he must gain a huge amount of strength and play C full time. Just because he's tall doesn't mean that he's a C. Strength and standing reach are more important. Amir simply cannot put get enough strength on his frame to play it full time.

[By saying that the team could use a real C and not becoming one himself Amir] is bailing out on the team and running away from responsibility.

Bailing out on the team? That's why he's played to the point of perhaps needing surgery on his ankle?!? How is becoming a C his responsibility? Did BC outright tell him to become one? His lack of strength likely contributed to the injuries, why would he avoid the gym, what evidence is there that he hasn't been working out? Amir just said that he wants to become more of a leader, the TOP guy.

This thread is so absurd. You're making such a big deal out of nothing.

[Matt52]

Does anyone else find the following comical?

This is a thread debating Noah vs. Amir on the premise of size.

On the one hand we have the argument Amir is 6'11" and the listing for his 6'9" is wrong yet the same listings with his weight at 210 are correct.... interesting.

On the other hand we have Noah who weighed 223lbs coming out of college at 22 years of age and currently is listed at 232lbs on ESPN at 26 years of age comapred to Amir who is 23, just turning 24 in a couple of weeks.

There is nothing biased about this post at all.

[Raptor4Ever]

Noah skinnier than Amir? When Amir was drafted, he was like 200 pounds. Noah was 225 pounds. How would you say that Noah has tranformed his body? By putting on 8-10 pounds?

Do I have to break down everything for you ??

Noah had 3 years, Amir had 5 years. So here you go.

How is the stuff about school irrelevant? Noah got top-notch coaching from Billy Donovan and got a chance to hone his skills with playing time.
.

And Amir did not have the best Coach !! The top -notch school is irrelevant because we are not EVEN TALKING ABOUT THEIR SKILLS. We are talking about willingness to embrace a role, to take on the challenge and to work towards it.
Do you get it now ??

Like I said in an earlier post, one of Amir's greatest assets is his quickness. If he puts on weight to try to become a 5, he'll lose that quickness.

Really ?? I thought it was his defensive IQ, it was his desire to work hard and ... so Not to loose his edge, he needs to be skinny and be pushed around under the basket and .... Right!! man, I wish I had you for my boss. You are easy to please.

[Raptor4Ever]

On the one hand we have the argument Amir is 6'11" and the listing for his 6'9" is wrong yet the same listings with his weight at 210 are correct.... interesting.

LOOOOLLL, Where did I say 210 is right ?? Show me the line that I said 210 was a right number or STFU

As far as the hight, I gave you 5 references, if you want I will add another 5.

Do you want to know what is comical ??!!
That you and your Pal have no real answer and are puzzled on why your little hero is so lazy and why does he defer the role of starting center and not willing to take on the challenge. It seems like it just hit you in the face that a guy with the same hight as Amir


I say forget that one has been in the league for 5 years versus 3 years. After posting 5 different sources, I guess anyone with little brain and logic can see that Amir is at least 6'11" and same hight as Noah.

Then why not now is he gaining the size to play the role ? Didn't Bosh who most of hated, added the weight last year to be more dominate and he was so as well !!!