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    Andrew Bynum was drafted as a project and not an immediate impact player, now he is one of the top centers in the league. In his first season he saw limited floor time with only 7.3 mpg. Last year we received Soloman Alabi from the mavs for cash, and he barely saw any floor time. Are the raptors organization trying to replicate what L.A did with Bynum and increase his minutes over the next few seasons and turn him in to a solid center? I would be happy if we get a serviceable backup out of him.

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    I still believe in Alabi. Everything I've ever heard and read about the guy says he is a really hard worker and that he wants to get better. I hope he works his ass off this summer and comes back next year ready to play regular minutes in the NBA.
    I don't think he'll ever be a great center but there is still back up potential there. Also, Bynum was highly touted and went tenth overall where Alabi was at best rated in the early 20's pick before the hep B thing killed his stock so the comparison is a little off, but I see what you mean.
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    I'm not nearly as down on Alabi as the rest of the board seems to be, and think he still has potential as a defensive center. I don't think he'll ever be a starter on the team, but certainly could be a decent backup. This offseason is huge for him.
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    The difference is Bynum was 17 when drafted straight out of high school and 23 today.

    Alabi was 22 when drafted with 3 years of NCAA experience and is also 23 today.

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    I understand he also started playing ball at 15. That is rather old and many of the instincts like ball handling, shooting etc are rather late developing. The few times I have seen him he just seems lost like the game is going to fast for him at this level. I dont know at the age he is and the amount of time he gets how fast he will develop and how much. I just cant see giving him too many mins. at this point of the team's evolution...the other young guys seem much more advanced.

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    I hope his second year is not guaranteed and we can just dump him off the roster.

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    Quote Raptors_13 wrote: View Post
    Andrew Bynum was drafted as a project and not an immediate impact player, now he is one of the top centers in the league. In his first season he saw limited floor time with only 7.3 mpg. Last year we received Soloman Alabi from the mavs for cash, and he barely saw any floor time. Are the raptors organization trying to replicate what L.A did with Bynum and increase his minutes over the next few seasons and turn him in to a solid center? I would be happy if we get a serviceable backup out of him.
    Andrew Bynum was a skilled high school big man who had all the physical tools to be a very good player, hence why he was a lottery pick. Solomon Alabi is an extremely raw, somewhat uncoordinated beanpole who was a 2nd round pick. While I do think it's way to early to throw the towel in on Alibi, there's really no comparison between the two.
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    What I meant is that we should do the same thing l.a did with Bynum IMO, continue to develop him.

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    While it won't hurt to develop him, if he is 23 and it takes 3 more years to make him a "servicable" back-up that is a lot of time and energy not necessarily in cost, but in terms of player development. Any coach working one on one w/ alabi is not working one on one w/ Davis or Demar or Amir or the 2 or 3 Draft picks we will be acquiring over the next 2 years or so. I have nothing against Alabi, and don't really care all that much whether he stays or goes. If i'm a gm the "do we keep alabi and develop alabi" is at the bottom of a long list of questions like
    "Am I getting another contract, and what the hell did I ever do to Silvestri?" (Shouldn't be the top question on Brian's mind, but c'mon, how can it not be?)
    "Who should I Draft?"
    "Do I trade my pick up to try and get Williams or Irving?"
    "Do I trade my pick down?"
    "Do I give Triano another contract?"
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    "What big defensive Centers can I get?"
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    "Outside of Calderon and Bargs, who can I trade, Bayless, Evans (if resigned) Barbosa (if he exercises his player option)
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    "Is it worth putting in the time and effort to make Solomon Alabi a descent back-up?"
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    Good point
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    If Solo can gain more mass like I'm talking 15-20 lbs more than he will definitely be here next season. A beefed up Alabi is way better than Mr. Potatohead aka Ajinca. Ajinca on the other hand is more skilled, they are virtually the same height, but I rather take a beefed up Alabi as a body in the paint over Ajinca's camping the perimeter skills anyday.
    What the Raptors need off the bench is a rebounder, someone who at least attempts to block, and a good help defender, and from what little I saw from Alabi he is a better help defender than Ajinca.

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    Alabi looks completely lost out on the floor. The game simply moves to fast for him. He just doesn't have it.

    It's no loss. He was a second round gamble and it didn't work out. There will always be more Alabis to take gambles on. Heck, there's probably some in this draft.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The difference is Bynum was 17 when drafted straight out of high school and 23 today.

    Alabi was 22 when drafted with 3 years of NCAA experience and is also 23 today.
    Exactly Matt. The thing that bothered me the most is the way this was handled. The Raps staff could have "encouraged" Alabi to play in the Euroleague and held his rights. This a team with a direct connection to the Euroleague, they could have easily done this. Alabi could have learned his trade in the European minors but instead he is getting paid NBA money to learn how to play and end up playing in Europe or Asia.

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    forget bynum alabi has his sights set on becoming a better player than hakim the dreamm ..

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Exactly Matt. The thing that bothered me the most is the way this was handled. The Raps staff could have "encouraged" Alabi to play in the Euroleague and held his rights. This a team with a direct connection to the Euroleague, they could have easily done this. Alabi could have learned his trade in the European minors but instead he is getting paid NBA money to learn how to play and end up playing in Europe or Asia.
    European teams have only a certain amount of roster allocations for non-european players. In addition, who's to say that Alabi is better than players on the respective euro league rosters? He's raw as it is, and looked lost last season, so I think he'd be just as lost in Europe. Let's also keep in mind that the Euro league is not a developmental league for the NBA. That's what the D-League is for. If the kid isn't good enough to play, he won't.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Andrew Bynum was a skilled high school big man who had all the physical tools to be a very good player, hence why he was a lottery pick. Solomon Alabi is an extremely raw, somewhat uncoordinated beanpole who was a 2nd round pick. While I do think it's way to early to throw the towel in on Alibi, there's really no comparison between the two.
    I concur.

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    I know I already poked fun at the relevance of this thread but I was doing some research for another post on salaries and came across alabi's contract.

    We paid him $770,000 this year
    he is under contract next year @ $830,000
    AND we have a team option for 2012-2013 @ $890,000

    So I think the question of whether we develop Alabi or not has pretty much already been made. I doubt we will try to buy out his contract and because he gets paid sooo little it's not like he's going to make or break a trade. Now if you asked the same question next year when the team is deciding whether to exercise his player option or not then it makes sense at that point. Until then you have to assume we are going to develop him just like we are developing most of our roster. A more relevant question imo is how we develop him next year. Some one made the point of shipping him off to Europe and holding his rights, which probably would have made more sense given that he didn't play very many minutes but I guess that ship has sailed. I expect he will either see significant increase in minutes next season (10/game or so) and will pick up his option or he will spend the majority of his time in the d league and we let him walk at season's end.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The difference is Bynum was 17 when drafted straight out of high school and 23 today.

    Alabi was 22 when drafted with 3 years of NCAA experience and is also 23 today.
    This.

    I don't think you can compare the two, Bynum uses his bulk as much as his reach/wingspan and has a semblance of an offensive game. Alabi is a shot-blocker who can do little else and as Matt pointed out, is much older. Alabi can be more easily compared to a player like Dalembert. A young guy I'd compare to Bynum would be - and hear me out on this - DeMarcus Cousins even though he plays a different position. I see a lot of similarity in their games (and even attitude although Bynum's has improved considerably).

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    European teams have only a certain amount of roster allocations for non-european players. In addition, who's to say that Alabi is better than players on the respective euro league rosters? He's raw as it is, and looked lost last season, so I think he'd be just as lost in Europe. Let's also keep in mind that the Euro league is not a developmental league for the NBA. That's what the D-League is for. If the kid isn't good enough to play, he won't.
    I hear what your saying Mangokid I just don't understand what having Gheradini(m/s) is for if not to finagle behind the scene things like this? Another option could have been Japan ( a few head coaches with NBA ties are there now).

    Anyway he's here now. No point moping. Maybe we get lucky and Alabi has an awaken this summer.

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    Don't give up on Alabi just yet. Yes, he's still raw and the game is too fast for him now. However, I like what I see in regards to his work ethic and attitude. He'll never be as good as Bynum but I think he'll end up being a good defensive centre with time. It's too early to give up on him. Don't forget, when Roy Hibbert was drafted, all the scouts said his footwork was too slow for him to ever be a productive NBA player. Well, Hibbert has certainly proved the experts wrong with all the hard work he's put in. I think Alabi will do the same.

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