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    Jose Calderon: "There are still missing pieces, but if DeMar DeRozan or Ed Davis become stars, then we are talking about a team like the Oklahoma City Thunder four years ago."
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    I disagree with Calderon. The Raps are actually ahead of OKC in terms of rebuilding through the draft. OKC used their draft picks for Petro and Sene in the two years leading up to their first of 3 years in the top 5 with picks 2, 5, 4, and 3 (2007-2009). The Raptors used those two years to get DeRozan and Davis. Fingers crossed on this draft.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
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    I disagree with Calderon. The Raps are actually ahead of OKC in terms of rebuilding through the draft. OKC used their draft picks for Petro and Sene in the two years leading up to their first of 3 years in the top 5 with picks 2, 5, 4, and 3 (2007-2009). The Raptors used those two years to get DeRozan and Davis. Fingers crossed on this draft.
    hopefully this rebuild doesn't talk much longer and we start seeing some wins and playoff runs.

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    I disagree with Calderon. The Raps are actually ahead of OKC in terms of rebuilding through the draft. OKC used their draft picks for Petro and Sene in the two years leading up to their first of 3 years in the top 5 with picks 2, 5, 4, and 3 (2007-2009). The Raptors used those two years to get DeRozan and Davis. Fingers crossed on this draft.
    They're ahead in some ways, but behind in others. The Raptors lack a player like Durant, which they will need. And it's not likely they'll get one in this draft.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    They're ahead in some ways, but behind in others. The Raptors lack a player like Durant, which they will need. And it's not likely they'll get one in this draft.
    Agreed there. Obviously players like Durant are few and far between. Hopefully whoever they draft this year or next becomes a franchise player or, while unlikely, DD or Davis could continue to evolve.

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    Who knows, if Derozen keeps blossoming, Ed continues to develop and we strike a homerun in the draft, we could have our own big 3.
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    Even tho durant fell into their laps you have to really applaud their scouts. Guys like Westbrook and Ibaka had no business at all becoming great players (according to most) and yet they have probably the most effective "big 3" in the league.
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    I could see Kanter turning into a much tougher, slightly slower, Brook Lopez. Put him down low with Ed Davis and that is a Front Court to be proud of. OKC never really had that. Now they've got Ibaka and Perkins, which is not too dissimilar from an Ed Davis, Enes Kanter Front Court.

    I've always said Bayless could be a Westbrook type player, as he has the explosiveness and ability to get to the rim. As well as that deep-down emotional drive to be the best and get the win. If you look at guys like Westbrook and DRose, they were allowed to be 'drive first' type players (not really shoot first), because it helps keeps the defense honest when they HAVE to play the PG for the drive. That creates unlimited opportunities for your teammates once the Defense collapses, and thus helps the PG run the offense. Being an aggressive PG on the offensive side of the court should no longer be looked at being a bad thing. Give Bayless a training camp to learn the Offense, and he'll be the PG of the future. Unless we get Irving.

    Demar has yet to show that he can be ELITE, and in the same league as Durant. But he has shown the ability to improve upon his game in the places that it matters. This year will be a HUGE determinant in whether or not he will be the one to take this team to the next level.

    Having guys like Amir and James Johnson is just a huge bonus, as they will prove to the ones that drive our Defense, along with ED, ala Ibaka and Sefolosha.

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    I like Kanter more than Lopez simply because his aggressiveness is more of a fit with Davis and Johnson. But no matter who they pick the key is 2012, and I think the Raps will be in lottery or low playoffs to get a good pick. If they can get a second first round in 2012, and not trade it, then things become really interestiing. I think they have to take either Irving or Williams this year if available, but it concerns me that there are few centres available next year. But 2012 should give them depth. Imagine Kanter this year and someone like Barnes or one of the Jones, and Kabongo next year. Ouch...
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    Quote meductic wrote: View Post
    I like Kanter more than Lopez simply because his aggressiveness is more of a fit with Davis and Johnson. But no matter who they pick the key is 2012, and I think the Raps will be in lottery or low playoffs to get a good pick. If they can get a second first round in 2012, and not trade it, then things become really interestiing. I think they have to take either Irving or Williams if available, but it concerns me that there are few centres available next year. But 2012 should give them depth.
    Assuming he's smart, and I think he is, BC will be tentatively slating in a SF pick in 2012, or to a lesser extent, a PG. Assuming we end up with the #2 pick and Irving goes first overall, I'd actually trade down with Cleveland, Washington or Utah. I'm not sure if GMs feel Williams is worth giving up a mid-late lottery pick to move up and pick, but I'd rather have Kanter and one of Valanciunas, Walker, Thompson, Leonard, Singleton or Biyombo, depending on what second pick we can get. If we're not feeling very confident about Williams not being a tweener, then I'd even consider one of the early 2nd round picks to spend on Darius Morris, if avaialble, or another project PG.

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    All I have to say is draft Kanter BC, forget the Irvings and Walkers.

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    Quote e2thed wrote: View Post
    All I have to say is draft Kanter BC, forget the Irvings and Walkers.
    You may be right! Evan Turner was a lock at the 2nd pick, but no one would take him there now. Kanter may be the steal of the draft and a foundation player. I would love to see him play. I am wondering if anyone has a verified source on how tall he is? I like Biyumbo because he is only 6 feet, 7 inches and a bit, but has a seven, seven wingspan. Tough draft this one.

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    every team that's rebuilding mentions the OKC model when they talk about the future

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    Quote HuskyRaptor wrote: View Post
    every team that's rebuilding mentions the OKC model when they talk about the future
    Agreed and it is a little bothersome. People, in general, make it sound like their success came over night. It was 5 years between playoff appearances and a lot of lottery luck (not trying to take anything away from their scouting people though).

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Agreed and it is a little bothersome. People, in general, make it sound like their success came over night. It was 5 years between playoff appearances and a lot of lottery luck (not trying to take anything away from their scouting people though).
    And patience. That's actually the thing that stands out most to me about their rebuild. I don't know if it was genius or dumb luck, but it seemed like they only made good, necessary moves. But like you say, if we picked two Durant/Westbrook-level prospects in the next two drafts, nobody would remember our floundering the past while either.

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    Lets not forget about Green who OKC used to get Perkins. They have bench pieces that could make the Raps starting 5...Cook, Harden, Maynor, Ibaka...

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Lets not forget about Green who OKC used to get Perkins. They have bench pieces that could make the Raps starting 5...Cook, Harden, Maynor, Ibaka...
    Maybe not Cook. =P

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    Quote Quixotic wrote: View Post
    Maybe not Cook. =P
    Yep. Got carried away with his defensive play this series.

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    Quote Quixotic wrote: View Post
    Maybe not Cook. =P
    Have I ever mentioned I think the Raptors should go after Cook this offseason? If not, I think they should.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Have I ever mentioned I think the Raptors should go after Cook this offseason? If not, I think they should.
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