Trading up in the draft

[LeetGoose]

Anyway we get MIN's #2 Pick and SAC's #7 pick by moving Calderon and Bargnani?

[Maleko]

I think Demar could be that guy, but I think a better solution is not to get future all-stars through the draft (unless they are proven, such as John Wall when he came into the league) packaging 2+ players that are potential all stars (Demar + Bargnani for example) can probably net us someone that's a lot more proven.
and I meant sign & trade for the chandler deal, expecting him to make 8-9 mil in the first year of his contract.
The new CBA just ruins everything to be honest, but I'm for the idea of every team able to put a lock on their franchise player by forcing them to stay with one team (?)

Wow, ok I like WChandler, but $8-9M. WAY too much dude. $6M perhaps, 4-5 more likely, 8-9 no way.

[Maleko]

Anyway we get MIN's #2 Pick and SAC's #7 pick by moving Calderon and Bargnani?

Calderon, Bargnani, Barbosa, and Alabi and flipping our 5th pick for the 7th, so we only pick up one pick and lose ground on the other.

[mcHAPPY]

3 way: Toronto, Minnesota, Sacramento

Anyway we get MIN's #2 Pick and SAC's #7 pick by moving Calderon and Bargnani?

I'll bite:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3h6jvrv

TOR: Flynn, Tolliver, Webster, #2, #7
MIN: Calderon, Thompson, Garcia, Casspi
SAC: Bargnani, Pekovic, #5, #20

[Maleko]

I'll bite:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3h6jvrv

TOR: Flynn, Tolliver, Webster, #2, #7
MIN: Calderon, Thompson, Garcia, Casspi
SAC: Bargnani, Pekovic, #5, #20

I like it, the only thing is that SAC is wanting to trade their pick, so why would they go for 2? I don't know, maybe they would.

[mcHAPPY]

I like it, the only thing is that SAC is wanting to trade their pick, so why would they go for 2? I don't know, maybe they would.

It is tough to know who means what. So many teams are sending smokescreens or leaking B.S. this time of year - BC and the Raps included.

[Maleko]

It is tough to know who means what. So many teams are sending smokescreens or leaking B.S. this time of year - BC and the Raps included.

True enough, I wonder if they would need to flip though then.

[saints91]

I posted this trade in another forum, but let me know what you think.

To Minnesota:

Calderone, Utah's #12


To Utah :

Bargnani, Bayless, James Johnson

To Toronto:

Jefferson, Ridnour and Minnesota's #2



Our line up


Jefferson
Davis
Derrick Williams
Demar
Knight

Bench

Barbosa
Amir
Kleiza
Ridnour
Flynn


Utah

Bargnani
Milsap
Haywood
??? free agent
Harris

Kanter
Favors
J.J.
Bayless
Okur

[Maleko]

Utah probably does it, Minny maybe, I hope to hell Toronto doesn't, at least with the players you drafted. Jefferson is not an upgrade at D. With the 2&5 I would be more inclined to take Kanter and Leonard. We would be weak at the PG position though.

[Maleko]

I'll bite:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3h6jvrv

TOR: Flynn, Tolliver, Webster, #2, #7
MIN: Calderon, Thompson, Garcia, Casspi
SAC: Bargnani, Pekovic, #5, #20

Actually I like this if we take Pekovic and SAC takes Webster, probably works better for them as well. I would then pick Kanter and Leonard so our lineup would look like:

Bigs: EKanter, EDavis, Amir, NPekovic, ATolliver, SAlabi
Wings: Derozan, JJohnson, KLeonard, LBarbosa, LKleiza
Point: JBayless, JFlynn.
FA chase: 1 of KAzubuike, AAfflalo, DCook, SWeems. I would also look at trying to buy a pick late(r) in the 1st round to pick up Darius Morris if possible.
Salary would be potentially: $50M assuming Barbosa is in and does not resign lesser amt for more yrs.

ADD: I would be very happy with the big rotation, good with the wings but weak at the Point sitting on only potential. Ideally we find a way to get Felton, or look to sign him when he is a FA after next year. Darius Morris is potentially a solid long term (although not flashy) PG, but again is potential. He is described as probably the most pure point in the draft.

[Maleko]

Ok what about a Utah swing (WITHOUT Jefferson) since we have beaten variations of the Minny pick to death, but still sending Calderon to Minny.
Trade#1
TOR: Okur, CJ Miles (Utah exercises option), #3 pick (EKanter)
UTAH: Bargnani, #5 pick (BKnight)

Take on Okur since Utah has too much $ in front court pre-Bargnani, he is expiring although played only around 140mins last year total and Turkish as is Kanter; Utah is coveting BKnight, and they are not jumping at keeping CJ but we could use.

Trade#2
TOR: JFlynn, NPekovic OR ATolliver
MINNY: Calderon

Then try hard to sign Wilson Chandler.
Perhaps buy 1-2 later 1st rnd picks (Minny? who doesn't want to get younger and Charlotte who could use money?) to select Darius Morris and/or Tobias Harris.

PG: JBayless, JFlynn, <=Darius Morris?
SG: DDerozan, CJ Miles, LBarbosa
SF: JJ, LKleiza, <=WChandler (would start) or Tobias Harris.
PF: ED, Amir,
C: Kanter, Pekovic/Tolliver, Okur, Alabi
Salary: ~$53M prior to Chandler/Morris/Harris ($51M if Tolliver instead of Pekovic.) Morris/Harris would add perhaps another $1.5M each, Chandler would need to be $5-6M. Okur expires after next season.

[saints91]

hmmmm... I think trading Bargnani will get us getter talent then that. I don't think we should move him, just to move him. Calderon on the other hand, I'm cool with giving him up for cap relief and a pick

[saints91]

Okay, I tried not to use Minnesota in this situation, but it's hard not to. Here's a different spin.

To Toronto:

S.Curry (Golden State)
Bledrins (Golden State)
Ridnour (Minnesota)

Minnesota's #2


To Golden State:

Bargnani
Bayless
Flynn (MN)

and our first rounder next year

To Minnesota :

Calderon
and Golden States 11th pick
We may have to throw in some more to get them to bite.

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Our Line up


C Kanter/Bledrins/Alibi
PF Ed Davis/Amir/Evans (bring him back)
SF Kawhi Leonard/J.J./Kleiza
SG DeMar/Barbosa
PG Curry/Ridnour


or

Valanciunas/Bledrins/Alibi
Ed Davis/Amir/Evans
Derrick Williams/J.J./Kleiza
DeMar/Barbosa
Curry/Ridnour

[er1csh3n]

Okay, I tried not to use Minnesota in this situation, but it's hard not to. Here's a different spin.

To Toronto:

S.Curry (Golden State)
Bledrins (Golden State)
Ridnour (Minnesota)

Minnesota's #2


To Golden State:

Bargnani
Bayless
Flynn (MN)

and our first rounder next year

To Minnesota :

Calderon
and Golden States 11th pick
We may have to throw in some more to get them to bite.

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Our Line up


C Kanter/Bledrins/Alibi
PF Ed Davis/Amir/Evans (bring him back)
SF Kawhi Leonard/J.J./Kleiza
SG DeMar/Barbosa
PG Curry/Ridnour


or

Valanciunas/Bledrins/Alibi
Ed Davis/Amir/Evans
Derrick Williams/J.J./Kleiza
DeMar/Barbosa
Curry/Ridnour

why would you throw in our 2012 first round pick, I like this trade, but the 2012 draft is stacked with SFs, why spent a fifth overall on Leonard?, if u switch the 2012 pick to GS for this years 5th pick, i would jump at this trade

[dballa21]

i don't think the Raptors even need to give a pick to Golden State. They get the most of this trade if you ask me. (assuming there is a hard cap next season)