Of all the pg's knight is known for his defense what the hell are you talking about
Of all the pg's knight is known for his defense what the hell are you talking about
Correction, Lamb shut him down.
Kemba was certainly a better collegiate player, but knight has more potential at the pro level. A lot of scouts are saying 4, 5 years from now Knight will be the best PG of the draft.
Remember, Knight is 19. Kemba is 21.
Nash, Rondo, Williams had more assists per game. Chris Paul led the league in steals.
In terms of impact you'd have a strong argument that Rose, Westbrook, Nash did more for their teams. Rondo comes close.
I'd put CP in the top 10. Definitely top 5 point guards. Of course, this probably would change if CP had at least another all-star to play with.
Kemba had one more year of college where he exploded and won UCONN the championship. Before that, their stats and impact favored Paul somewhat.
Would I take Paul over Walker? Heck, I'd trade Bargs and the 5th (Walker) straight up for CP. However, I believe Kemba could be a near all-star for years. He's got the drive, focus and desire to win.
Basically, I believe that the Raps have a good supporting cast. We just need two or three stars to be a legitimate contender. Kemba is one. Grab either Lopez or M. Gasol and we have the other. Draft Barnes next year (because we're going to suck over the shortened season) and we're looking good.
evolution of a player
January 2008(high school)
"As far as being a scoring threat goes, Walker has two issues facing him. First is his size; his 6’2” listing is probably a bit generous, and we did see that he struggled at times to finish in traffic against bigger, longer players. The other major concern is Walker’s perimeter shooting. He only attempted one three-point field goal during the game, despite having plenty of open looks; and it seems that Walker doesn’t have a tremendous amount of confidence from this range. He showed some nice potential shooting off the dribble from mid-range and has nice touch, but his release point was somewhat inconsistent, which hampered his shots from falling on a regular basis."
"Clearly the appeal in Walker’s game is his playmaking ability. His ability to get into the lane and create open shots for teammates is very impressive, and his court vision is fantastic. Walker did everything from drive and kick to open teammates for perimeter shots on the weak side, to penetrating the lane and drawing defenders leaving teammates open for uncontested lay ups. Walker was only able to record two assists in this particular contest, because of a lot of missed opportunities by Rice on the offensive end."
"On the defensive end there is plenty to like about Walker. He is a tough defender, and though he gets beat occasionally by fast perimeter players off the dribble, he does a great job of recovering quickly. He seems to have a knack of knowing where to be and generally seems to anticipate well. One cause for concern again is his height, which could allow taller guards to shoot over him at the next level."
"Many times throughout the season when UConn was beginning to unravel, coach Calhoun would put Walker at the point and slide A.J. Price over to the shooting guard spot, showing his confidence in his young playmaker."
"Walker’s offensive game primarily centers around his ability to get to the rim. Comfortable going both left and right, he possesses a devastating change of direction dribble that can collapse a defense in a heartbeat. His relatively slender frame does not deter him from finishing at the rim amongst the trees, even though he stands only a hair over six feet tall. The kid is simply fearless when going to the rim, while also maintaining the poise to run an offense and not forcing the issue. And in the cases that he is not able to score, he shows absolutely gorgeous court vision, especially in terms of drop off passes to big men."
"The main problem with Walker’s offensive game centers around his ability to shoot the ball. While he is not an awful shooter, most defenders opt to play off of him and make them beat him with his jumper."
"Walker really excels on the defensive end, playing tough on the ball defense and also great team defense. When not pressuring the ball, he did a very nice job of rotating and even tried taking a few charges against bigger Pitt players. Not only was it clear that Walker has the physical ability to defend, but he also understands HOW to defend, which makes him even more appealing as a prospect."
"On the offensive end, Walker has really become a much more reliable outside shooter this season, namely spotting up from behind the three-point arc. Walker has great mechanics, boasting a high and quick release with a smooth, consistent motion. He’s very effective with his shot both catching and shooting and pulling up in space, while he uses his excellent quickness and craftiness with the ball to create separation pretty consistently. He’s only making about one three per game, but he’s doing a lot of damage pulling up from inside the arc, while he’s also shown proficiency with pull-up jumpers and runners in the painted area."
"As a point guard, Walker has a lot of good tools, excelling in the pick-and-roll game and showing good court vision in general, capable of making tough passes to cutters in the lane. He does a pretty good job of moving the ball around the floor and finding open shooters, keeping his head up for the most part when initiating the offense. That said, Walker definitely shows some tunnel vision when he decides to attack the basket, usually being dead set on scoring in those situations. He doesn’t show much prowess in the drive-and-dish game, and his decision-making in general has been erratic at times this season, being pretty turnover prone with the ball, both in forcing passes into tough situations and forcing his dribble-drive game."
"Defensively, Walker plays aggressive, focused perimeter defense, getting into a good stance and moving his feet well to stay in front of his man. He sticks with his man well off the ball and doesn’t give up on plays, while also doing a good job in the passing lanes, pulling in 2.1 steals per game. Walker’s size is certainly an issue on this end of the court, however, as opponents can shoot over him and he doesn’t have the greatest strength, something that is problematic when getting through screens."
"Walker wasn't known as a great shooter coming out of high school, but he has put an unbelievable amount of time into improving his mechanics and increasing his range over the past few years. He's absolutely deadly now – both with his feet set and off the bounce. The fact that he can find the space to get his shot off whenever he pleases makes him that much more difficult to guard, particularly at this level. It's also made his shot fake (a frequent part of his arsenal) more credible, which has, in turn, made him an even more effective threat slashing to the basket."
"The Rice High School product was known as an unselfish playmaker earlier in his career. While his stats this season may lead some to the impression that he has gone away from that, his increased production stems from necessity more than anything. UConn cannot survive without Walker scoring in bunches."
"Digging deeper into his film, there are still plenty of instances where Walker's outstanding court vision and creative passing shine through. He's capable of threading the needle to teammates rolling to the basket with bullet passes, finding open shooters on the wing, and making fundamentally-sound entry passes into the post for high percentage looks around the rim."
"Defense is the part of Walker's game that will raise the biggest question marks from NBA evaluators – not because of his actual defensive ability, but rather his size. Standing somewhere around six-feet and change, Walker will always carry the “undersized” label, even though his height rarely affects him on the offensive end. He'll match up against bigger, stronger, longer point guards in the NBA, which could make things more difficult. To his credit, though, he shows excellent lateral quickness, terrific instincts in the passing lanes and the type of toughness you come to expect from a New York City guard. Nevertheless, there is a bias amongst certain NBA-types against shorter point guards, which must be taken into account."
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...#ixzz1NBVmq9mO
Brandon Knight over Kemba please. Defense and the additional 2 inches will do the Raps a lot of good (if he's the best player at the five).
“The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King
Both are great, at 5 I doubt we will have a choice between the two of them. Only one will be left, if at all.
Most people have Knight ahead of Walker, so I think most of us are warm to Kemba only because he seems to be the most attainable.
Last edited by MyMomLovesMe; Mon May 23rd, 2011 at 10:39 AM.
His offensive gifts typically get the praise around media circles but the guy can flat out play defense and takes defense seriously. He's a two way player. Those who suggest he can't play defense because of his height have missed the boat. So much more goes into defense than size. Rajon Rondo is the best defensive PG in the league and he's not bigger than Kemba Walker.
Kemba Walker had a 39.5 inch vertical at the draft combine. His looking impressive lately measuring at 6'1 and now with a 39.5 inch vertical. Looking real safe as the 5th pick.
Last edited by Chr1s1anL; Thu May 26th, 2011 at 03:05 AM.
If kanter is off the board, im all for kemba. even though im a knight fan i wouldn't be sad if we took kemba instead. dude can flat out ball.
I don't even care if he gets the ball up as long as he draws contact in the trenches and shifts the defense. I haven't bought a Raptors jersey in eons but if Kemba comes here, sign me up.
Man, I totally missed this thread, but from a quick scan it sounds like people are coming around to picking Kemba ... dig it. He's got the heart of a Lion. If we can move Barbosa, then give Bayless the 6th man role and let Kemba try and run the offense.
On the other hand, I'm fine with letting Bayless earn his chops as a starting PG. I'm curious to see what he's got as a full time Starter.
Kemba won't be wearing his #15 jersey though if he comes here, as that is Amirs number.
Last edited by Joey; Thu May 26th, 2011 at 07:06 PM.
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I'm not a huge fan of Walker, but I like him better than Knight because I think he's got more PG skills and he's got leadership skills. I still question what he does when he's not allowed to dominate the ball and shoot the ball whenever he wants to. Can he play a role?
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Kemba Walker is a wasted pick
He has shown poor results so far at the draft combine.
He will never be a good shooter, and he's older/has less potential than other prospects such as Knight and Valanciunas.
Did anyone see the finals NCAA game? It was UGLY! Walker sucked, and the only reason uconn won was because the other team sucked even more.
I can't believe anyone would want to draft a surefire backup PG with the 5th pick.
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