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    Quote DaveKim wrote: View Post
    I Like kemba and what he brings. leadership and winning qualities. Also, i dont understand why everyone is tripping over his height. he's athletic (39.5 inch vertical) and measure similarly to Chris Paul. Not saying that the two are the same in terms of playing style, but Chris Paul is an elite point guard is the same height as Kemba.

    Also, i really prefer kemba or knight over kanter, even if he slips. Kanter is unproven and we already have a log jam at the forward positions with Amir, ed, and bargs all under contract. Id rather much see ed playing with bargs than with kanter and bargs.
    You're right. People shouldn't be concerned with his height. You don't play better simply because you have a bigger head or longer neck. What people should be concerned about is his 7'75" standing reach, which is almost half a foot worse than your average PG. Of all the *drafted* players in the DX measurement database, only ONE has ever been measured with a worse standing reach. Only two other draftees have measured with the same standing reach (this year's Isaiah Thomas also has the same standing reach despite being almost 3 inches shorter). It's a good thing he has an above average vertical.

    And I don't know why so many people think anecdotal evidence is a good way to prove a point, especially when the anecdotal evidence involves uniquely talented players. If someone was 5'3", would you point to Mugsy Bogues? Because Bogues succeeded in the NBA, then what? If someone is 5'6", would you point to Spud Webb? If someone is 7'0", would you point to Dirk Nowitzki? Not to mention, it makes no sense that while you're arguing that someone's height won't be a factor, you're simultaneously arguing that someone else's career somehow sheds relevant light because of their height. Either height matters or it doesn't; pick one.

    Or better yet, look at the measurements that do matter: standing reach and wingspan.

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    Player Comparisons
    Ceiling: Isiah Thomas
    Basement: Bobby Jackson
    Final Comparison: Terrell Brandon

    Ratings (on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being overseas talent and 10 being NBA Rookie of the Year)

    Athleticism
    The NBA game is all about speed and that is something Kemba Walker is the master of. Not only does he have blinding speed, but he has many gears as well. In the NBA, he will have above average speed considering that nobody in college could even imagine staying in front on him. Also, Walker possesses great body control and strength. When he drives through the lane, Walker knows how to absorb the contact, shift his body and finish with the best of them. Similar to Kyrie Irving, Walker is not going to soar through the lane for a poster dunk, but there’s no doubt that Walker will do more than just hang with prototypical NBA point guards.
    Grade: 9

    Skill
    There’s no doubt that Walker has all of the skills required to be a good NBA point guard. He could definitely improve his shooting range, but his ability to shoot is not much of a problem. His decision making, however, is an issue. That applies to both his shot selection and passing ability. He had an assist-to-turnover ratio of 1.98 and took a handful of questionable shots every game. At the same time, can we blame Walker for having this mentality? He needed to have the ball in his hands a lot this season due to the youth of the rest of his team. It will be interesting to see if he can become a full-time point guard in the NBA.
    Grade: 7

    NBA Readiness
    Decision making comes with experience and that may be Walker’s biggest adjustment to the NBA. Also size will be a factor, but he did measure well at the combine at 6-1. There’s no doubt that he will be able to score right away, which is definitely a good thing for rebuilding teams. He also has an NBA-ready physique unlike many young prospects. Defensively, Walker will also make an impact instantly. Remember, before Walker became known as a scorer, he was known as a great defender.
    Grade: 8

    Upside
    Walker does not have the upside of other players in this draft because he is close to being a finished product. How much better can he get at this rate? He already proved his worth in the NCAA by winning the National Championship. There is certainly room for improvement, but not as much as NBA teams likes. One thing that may make Walker’s upside underrated: intangibles.
    Grade: 7

    Intangibles
    If there is one quality that NBA general managers simply cannot overlook, it is the ability to win. So few players are consistently as successful as Walker was last year in college. Even if Walker ended up being an average player, his wining mentality is what will keep him in the NBA for a long time. He makes players around him better and has the “it” factor, which certainly bodes well for his future.
    Grade: 10

    Combined Score: 41 out of 50 possible points
    Charlie Sheen would be a big fan of Kemba Walker simply for his tendency to win. He won’t be winning, however, if he doesn’t transition well to the point guard position.

    Best Fit: Charlotte Bobcats
    Ever since 2004 when the Bobcats came into the NBA, they haven’t had a great reputation for winning. As they enter their second rebuilding phase, they should look to add winners all around. Adding Walker wouldn’t only give them a winner, but it would also leave them with options. They could pull off another big trade with pieces such as D.J Augustin and Stephen Jackson.

    Outside Opinions
    “I think he showed how ultra competitive he is and that he is a pure winner. Whatever doubts there may be about his game, those qualities separate him from a lot of other potential point guards in this year’s draft and in the league today. That is why I think his draft status has risen so significantly over the past year.” – Adam Finkelstein, a former NBA Scout for Marty Blake
    Source: DimeMag.com

    In terms of upside, a lot of people were saying the same stuff about Brandon Roy.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Source: DimeMag.com

    In terms of upside, a lot of people were saying the same stuff about Brandon Roy.
    Indeed, but that's the exception that proves the rule. Can't really give credit to Walker for what Roy accomplished.

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    Terrell Brandon is pretty apt, I definitely see it. I agree with that summary pretty much 100%. He may never be a star but he'll certainly be a impact starter for years, at least.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Terrell Brandon is pretty apt, I definitely see it. I agree with that summary pretty much 100%. He may never be a star but he'll certainly be a impact starter for years, at least.
    Yup, I think he'll put up good numbers as a starter, but end up relegated to a sixth man role on a strong team.

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    Quote Quixotic wrote: View Post
    Indeed, but that's the exception that proves the rule. Can't really give credit to Walker for what Roy accomplished.
    You can't discredit him for something he has yet to do yet.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    You can't discredit him for something he has yet to do yet.
    How is that discrediting? So every prospect should be considered to have limitless upside simply because they haven't played in the NBA yet?

    I was merely pointing out that Roy's success has nothing to do with Walker, unless you want to apply that success to every prospect considered to have limited upside.

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    Quote Quixotic wrote: View Post
    How is that discrediting? So every prospect should be considered to have limitless upside simply because they haven't played in the NBA yet?
    No but the idea that a polished 21 year old basketball player is almost ready to plateau in my opinion is completely ridiculous. The kid does everything without a good jump shot. It's something he can easily drastically improve on with the level of coaching at the pro level. People's reason to this idea that he doesn't have a great deal of upside is simply: "21". It's extremely short sighted and makes no sense. Different guys have different growth curves. A lot of these kids who are 18 or 19 "with more upside" but less ability right now are more likely to bust. That's the other side of the coin.

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    No but the idea that a polished 21 year old basketball player is almost ready to plateau in my opinion is completely ridiculous. The kid does everything without a good jump shot. It's something he can easily drastically improve on with the level of coaching at the pro level. People's reason to this idea that he doesn't have a great deal of upside is simply: "21". It's extremely short sighted and makes no sense. Different guys have different growth curves. A lot of these kids who are 18 or 19 "with more upside" but less ability right now are more likely to bust. That's the other side of the coin.
    Let me first state that this is not a discussion of who is right about Kemba. You have your opinion on his upside, and I have my opinion on his upside (and I don't think my opinion is that harsh at all), and 10 years from now, maybe I'll be right or maybe you'll be right (or perhaps neither of us will be right), and when that happens, I'll gladly admit I was wrong.

    That said, just as you are pulling in bits of an argument that wasn't even argued above (the bit about age vs upside), allow me to pull in bits of an argument that doesn't completely pertain to you as well. My original point above, which you seem to have taken issue with, is that anecdotal evidence of someone else with a similar trait succeeding (in this case, the trait being the prevalent opinion of limited upside) is no good evidence at all. It would be great if we were trying to prove whether something was possible at all, but hardly relevant in predicting whether someone completely unrelated will follow in the same path. Others have done the same thing, naming off undersized Hall of Famers as if it had any relevance in predicting Walker's future. "Zeke was undersized and look at him" is not a valid argument, and neither is "in terms of upside, a lot of people were saying the same stuff about Brandon Roy" unless your only point is to show that scouts can be wrong, which was never contested.

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    UConn's Walker ready to prove doubters wrong
    CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- Kemba Walker took the NCAA tournament by storm as a dynamic, speedy, nearly unstoppable scoring point guard who helped Connecticut win the national championship.

    Just over two months later, the former Huskies star is learning the reality that the NBA is a more demanding place.

    Walker was in Charlotte on Friday for the first of many pre-draft workouts. Bobcats owner Michael Jordan was there, along with a gym full of skepticism.

    While Walker is expected to go high in the June 23 draft, Bobcats coach Paul Silas said there's "no doubt" Walker's 6-foot-1 height is a concern. He wondered whether the Bobcats would want another small point guard - they already have 6-foot D.J. Augustin - and declared the Bobcats wouldn't attempt to trade up from the No. 9 spot to snag Walker.

    "If he drops to nine," Silas said, "we'd really have to consider him."

    Hardly a ringing endorsement for a guard whose spectacular quickness was no match for most college defenders. He got to the free-throw line, shot well from 3-point range, and led UConn to an unprecedented 11 straight wins to snag the Big East and NCAA crowns.

    "I think he could be a good one," Silas said.

    Yet Walker, who acknowledged working out in front of Jordan was a "little nerve-racking," was in the odd situation of having to make excuses for averaging 23.5 points last season. He averaged only 4.5 assists.

    "Last season I had to score for my team out of necessity. But I'm a point guard," Walker said. "I'm able to score, but I'm also able to get guys involved, too. I think I fit in great with this team."

    The 21-year-old Walker's junior season at UConn included being named the Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA tournament. He scored 36 points against San Diego State and 33 against Cincinnati. He had 27 games of 20 or more and even rebounded well (5.4) for his size.

    "With speed, it gives me a chance to get to certain places other guards can't," he said.

    Walker's dominant season helped give Jim Calhoun a national title in what could have been his final season. The 69-year-old coach is contemplating retirement.

    "I think he's going stay, no question about that," Walker said. "He just loves the game too much. He's very passionate about the game."

    People have said the same about Walker, who guided UConn to an unprecedented five wins in five days to take the Big East tournament. But then there are the whispers.

    Can Walker become a pass-first point guard? Will his body hold up over an 82-game season? Can he effectively guard the bigger point guards in the league?

    "That's always a concern. It's a concern with who we have currently," Silas said, referring to Augustin. "You just have to find a way to help them out and design your defenses so they can't get hurt."

    Walker's quickness and toughness may be enough to overcome his 184-pound frame. It's also hard to overlook what he did in college

    Perhaps fittingly, Walker's first NBA workout Friday included Butler guard Shelvin Mack. The two squared off in one of the ugliest NCAA title games. Walker shot 5 of 19 from the field and Mack 4 of 15 as UConn won 53-41.

    Mack insisted more shots fell Friday.

    "You can say that," he said, smiling.

    Walker, too, smiles when people question his size. Yet he'll likely face similar scrutiny in upcoming workouts with Utah (No. 3 pick), Toronto (5) , Sacramento (7) and Detroit (8).

    "I just laugh. I've been playing basketball my whole life," Walker said. "It's never been an issue. As long as teams like me, I don't care. If anything, I'll just adapt and adjust."
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    Default Dime Mag's Mock Draft 3.0

    5. Toronto – Kemba Walker
    6-1, 184 lbs. PG
    Connecticut, Jr.
    The Raptors haven’t had a franchise point guard in their short history since Damon Stoudamire, and with Walker that all changes. Walker is a winner, a competitor and maybe the player the Raptors have been looking for the past 16 years.
    Source: DimeMag.com

    I have to agree with Dime Magazine and in a draft where there is so much doubt he seems like a very safe selection.

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    Default The pick - Trade it or keep it?

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=20073

    Nice read, makes Kemba look ever more enticing. He really was the first and second scoring option, but as mentioned is actually a great passer, too. Kelly didn't sound very enamoured with Knight at all, basically only talking about his athleticism.
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    this probably could have just been put in the kemba thread, it doesn't really talk about trading the pick at all
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    this probably could have just been put in the kemba thread, it doesn't really talk about trading the pick at all
    Done.

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    thanks doc
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    you've got to love this guy's competitive spirit. I love the fact that he went up again Fredette in Utah. it shows he is willing to go against tough competition and push himself above it

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    Both he and Jimmer seem a lot more secure in their abilities as PG's because they're willing to be tested in workouts.

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    Default ESPN article saying Kemba is better than Knight

    Walker had a 1.5 PPR in college. It also took him only 18 minutes per game to get a steal or block and he was able to score inside. His upside is the same or slightly better than Knight's, but he is definitely a safer pick -- his chance of failing is less than one out of 10. There are no red flags on Walker, making him a one-out-of-three shot of becoming a good player at the next level.

    Knight, meanwhile, has a one-in-four chance of being good, but the numbers suggest that his chances of success ride heavily on his shooting ability, not his passing. Knight had a minus-1.4 PPR in college, which is extremely low for a point guard -- lower, in fact, than any NBA starting point guard’s college PPR except for Stephen Curry, who did not play point guard until his third and final year at Davidson.

    Knight’s youth and specific metrics on steals and rebounds also raise red flags. In short, studies show that point guards with his characteristics don't live up to first-round expectations. Knight has about a one-in-three chance at failing -- he is an NBA player, but he is a poor risk for a lottery team.
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    I'm leaning towards Kemba over Knight as well.

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    yeah, ive always been in the knight camp but i think im going to tip toe over to kemba's side. i still like knight, and think he'll be a solid pro in a couple years, but i think kemba's better now and going to be a special dude.
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