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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Wow. You're judging the guy with such little information. You just seem determined not to like him, for some reason.

    As for Nikola Vucevic, he's a big guy, but he's not nearly as quick or mobile as Kanter, and he doesn't appear to be as strong, despite the extra weight. He seems pretty skilled, but he doesn't have nearly the upside Kanter does.
    Nikola on a playoff team > Kanter on a lottery team.

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    Nikola on a playoff team > Kanter on a lottery team.
    I don't even know what that means. Kanter seems to be clearly the better player, from what I've seen from both of them. If Kanter was drafted to a playoff team and Vucevic to a lottery team then would Kanter then be better. Again, you seem to be reaching trying to justify your dislike of Kanter.
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    Nikola Vucevic seems like a nice late first round choice. I read a great article a couple months back about him and his father. His father was a good baller in Europe. He'll be a good second generation pro based on what I read about his work ethic, his ambitions and his upbringing.

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    A center i havent really heard mentioned is Greg Smith. Dude is a physical player who i think would fit in really well. Massive paws, too.
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    Still don't really want him

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I don't even know what that means. Kanter seems to be clearly the better player, from what I've seen from both of them.
    But what have you seen? What have any of us actually seen? In Kanter's case all the general public has viewed are highlights from one all-star game and some high school games. Yes, his U19 numbers were good but did any of us intently watch the U19 worlds? I doubt it.

    Just as those who are hammering all these players need to tone down the stupid 'he's a stiff' rhetoric, people that are touting these guys need to be a little more humble when raving about guys they have never seen play.

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    Does anyone see Kanter being similar to Cole Aldrich? What happened to that guy because I remember a lot of RR members were pretty high on him... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4trsJcFNkw

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    For all the posturing and hoo-hawing, I still think Kanter will end up in Toronto, so long as Derrick Williams is drafted second. Basically because I see it like this: Utah will want to draft Brandon Knight. Its makes too much sense as he's perfect for their team. Cleveland won't draft Knight at 4, particularly if they draft Irving at 1.

    So there will be a situation where Utah wants a player that will definitely be available when the Raps draft if they were to pass on him. So, the smart and gangster GM that BC is, he's going to call up the Jazz during the draft and be like, "Yo. This is B-Dot over in T-Dot. I've got this draft pick at 5, see, and you've got a pick at 3. Let's swap those motherf***ers. This way, you'll get who you want at a cheaper price. I'll even send you some mad bills if you want."

    If Utah wants Knight it actually makes no sense for them NOT to swap picks with the Raps, as doing so will save them millions over the course of the rookie contract and beyond. Ergo, the Raps - via Utah - will end up with Enes Kanter.

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    Quote jk1m wrote: View Post
    Does anyone see Kanter being similar to Cole Aldrich? What happened to that guy because I remember a lot of RR members were pretty high on him... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4trsJcFNkw
    not the same player at all.
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    Imagine Colangelo actually referring to himself as "B-Dot" on the phone with another GM
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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    So there will be a situation where Utah wants a player that will definitely be available when the Raps draft if they were to pass on him. So, the smart and gangster GM that BC is, he's going to call up the Jazz during the draft and be like, "Yo. This is B-Dot over in T-Dot. I've got this draft pick at 5, see, and you've got a pick at 3. Let's swap those motherf***ers. This way, you'll get who you want at a cheaper price. I'll even send you some mad bills if you want."
    I could see it going down like this; verbatim.

    And I have heard from mulitiple sources that Utah does in fact like BKnight ... but what about Devin Harris? Where does he come in?
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Imagine Colangelo actually referring to himself as "B-Dot" on the phone with another GM
    I can, and am, with David Khan being the GM on the other end. The conversation I'm picturing basically goes as follows,

    *Phone rings*
    BC: "Yo. This is B-Dot. Who dis?"
    Kahn: "KAAAAAAAAAHNNNNNNN!"

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I could see it going down like this; verbatim.

    And I have heard from mulitiple sources that Utah does in fact like BKnight ... but what about Devin Harris? Where does he come in?
    He is 28 and injury prone. Check his games played over his career - yikes. Harris will be good to have as an insurance policy with Knight and if Knight excels, Utah can trade him as teams are always looking for PG's.

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    But what have you seen? What have any of us actually seen? In Kanter's case all the general public has viewed are highlights from one all-star game and some high school games. Yes, his U19 numbers were good but did any of us intently watch the U19 worlds? I doubt it.

    Just as those who are hammering all these players need to tone down the stupid 'he's a stiff' rhetoric, people that are touting these guys need to be a little more humble when raving about guys they have never seen play.
    I've seen the Hoops Summit game, most of one European game and lot of clips of him in other games (a high school game, various European games and a spring league game). That and the scouting reports I've read give me a fairly decent view of whether he can play or not. I've never said that Kanter WILL be a great player, but it's my opinion that he's the third best player in this draft. With players who've never played in the NBA before, it's almost always a guessing game, but I feel I have enough information to be able to trust my opinion as much as I would for many other players.
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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    I can, and am, with David Khan being the GM on the other end. The conversation I'm picturing basically goes as follows,

    *Phone rings*
    BC: "Yo. This is B-Dot. Who dis?"
    Kahn: "KAAAAAAAAAHNNNNNNN!"
    Ha.... That is funny sh!t.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I could see it going down like this; verbatim.

    And I have heard from mulitiple sources that Utah does in fact like BKnight ... but what about Devin Harris? Where does he come in?
    Knight can play off the ball at the 2 (which fills a hole for the Jazz), as well as backup Harris at the 1. Devin Harris is already 28. In 2 years time Knight should have developed enough to be the uncontroversial starter. As it goes, Harris will be 30 by then, and his contract will be expiring. Basically a perfect situation for Knight and the Jazz.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    But what have you seen? What have any of us actually seen? In Kanter's case all the general public has viewed are highlights from one all-star game and some high school games. Yes, his U19 numbers were good but did any of us intently watch the U19 worlds? I doubt it.

    Just as those who are hammering all these players need to tone down the stupid 'he's a stiff' rhetoric, people that are touting these guys need to be a little more humble when raving about guys they have never seen play.
    Though I don't disagree with what you are saying, very few people on here have actually gone so far as to 'tout' Kanter as being anything more than he is. A Big, Skilled, Athletic kid, who knows how to use his body. Nothing in there is incorrect, or based on hear-say.

    From what I've been hearing, the people that DO like him, are mostly just saying, "He's going to be good." Not sure I've ever heard anyone dub him an All-star, or the Future 'so-and-so'.
    But on the flip side, I've heard some VERY Ridiculously negative things that have been said about him; most of which is solely based around the fact that he's from Turkey, or that he supposedly 'Snubbed Us'.
    Most people on here probably didn't even watch what Kemba did in the Tournament.

    So I do agree that perhaps people should be a little more reserved with their declaration of "a Sure Thing"; I've heard far less of that, then I have "He's from Turkey and can't play above the rim."
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    Quote jk1m wrote: View Post
    Does anyone see Kanter being similar to Cole Aldrich? What happened to that guy because I remember a lot of RR members were pretty high on him... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4trsJcFNkw
    Aldrich and Kanter are VERY different players. Aldrich is a lot more mechanical, not nearly as athletic and had very little offensive game. Aldrich's biggest strength is his defense. Kanter, while not explosive, has the mobility of a PF and is great at running the floor. He's a lot more smooth and fluid. And he's probably better offensive now than Aldrich was when he was drafted.
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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    For all the posturing and hoo-hawing, I still think Kanter will end up in Toronto, so long as Derrick Williams is drafted second. Basically because I see it like this: Utah will want to draft Brandon Knight. Its makes too much sense as he's perfect for their team. Cleveland won't draft Knight at 4, particularly if they draft Irving at 1.

    So there will be a situation where Utah wants a player that will definitely be available when the Raps draft if they were to pass on him. So, the smart and gangster GM that BC is, he's going to call up the Jazz during the draft and be like, "Yo. This is B-Dot over in T-Dot. I've got this draft pick at 5, see, and you've got a pick at 3. Let's swap those motherf***ers. This way, you'll get who you want at a cheaper price. I'll even send you some mad bills if you want."

    If Utah wants Knight it actually makes no sense for them NOT to swap picks with the Raps, as doing so will save them millions over the course of the rookie contract and beyond. Ergo, the Raps - via Utah - will end up with Enes Kanter.
    That's true. I hadn't thought about the financial savings Utah will get by trading down. Especially since they're a lottery team with a high payroll. If they feel Knight and Kanter are at about the same level, it just makes more sense for them to take Knight.
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    Kanter comes to us and Bargs is traded, then sign me up for season tickets!
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