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    Quote deebee wrote: View Post
    Gay's not exactly a high-rebounding SF and he's pretty tenacious on D, they could probably stick him at the 2
    As mentioned, Gay is actually a very good rebounder, for SF, and he simply doesn't have the ball handling skills to play SG. I think he'd struggle keeping up with some of the quicker guards,. too.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    As mentioned, Gay is actually a very good rebounder, for SF, and he simply doesn't have the ball handling skills to play SG. I think he'd struggle keeping up with some of the quicker guards,. too.
    he has the speed to guard, and you can probably play gay off the ball anyways in catch and shoot situations if you look at the 2006 draft combine measurements, gay is faster than roy and jordan farmar, heres the link http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...-Results-1352/ but i think gay should still be kept at SF

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    Quote bboyskinnylegs wrote: View Post
    I agree individuals can't make great defensive teams (well, unless you're talking about a real anchor like Dwight...there's absolutely no way Orlando is as good defensively as they are without him).

    But individuals can create huge problems defensively... and that's exactly what we see happen with Bargnani. You can cover for a guy that get's beat off the dribble (which happens frequently at the PG position, although a certain amount of resistance is needed) ... you CANNOT cover for someone that does not rotate to contest shots/help on D, or is not securing rebounds, etc. Bargnani is not the only reason we're a bad defensive team-- but as long as he is playing center 'protecting' the basket for us, our defense will never be much better than it is now... now worst in the league for the 2nd consecutive year.

    I strongly disagree that Bargs was our best player in any way. All he did was put up 21points on below league average efficiency (53.3 TS%) and very high usage (28.1%). He averaged a 16.2 PER at C this year. His counterparts averaged a 21.1 PER playing against him.
    I compare Bargnani's defensive deficiencies to the Zack Randolph situation in Memphis. Randolph has been labeled a lazy, defensively inept power forward for year. Then, suddenly he goes to a real team and, poof!, he's one of the best power forwards in the league! Randolph did probably undergo an attitude adjustment, but hey, that does usually come with playing for a good, winning team. Again, I know that Bargnani is not a good defensive player, but put him on a good team, and I bet his offensive and defensive efficiency ratings go wayyy up.

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    Quote SCass wrote: View Post
    I compare Bargnani's defensive deficiencies to the Zack Randolph situation in Memphis. Randolph has been labeled a lazy, defensively inept power forward for year. Then, suddenly he goes to a real team and, poof!, he's one of the best power forwards in the league! Randolph did probably undergo an attitude adjustment, but hey, that does usually come with playing for a good, winning team. Again, I know that Bargnani is not a good defensive player, but put him on a good team, and I bet his offensive and defensive efficiency ratings go wayyy up.
    I bet that's why Colangelo has traded him yet. He's still waiting for Toronto to be that good team.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    As mentioned, Gay is actually a very good rebounder, for SF
    This is the type of question that can be answered, at least in part, by checking the data on hoopsdata.com.

    2010-11
    Rudy Gay: ORR=4.5 DRR=14.2 TRR=9.3
    SF Avg : ORR=4.2 DRR=13.9 TRR=9.1

    2009-10
    Rudy Gay: ORR=4.2 DRR=13.1 TRR=8.7
    SF Avg : ORR=4.7 DRR=13.9 TRR=9.3

    2008-09
    Rudy Gay: ORR=4.5 DRR=13.9 TRR=9.1
    SF Avg : ORR=4.4 DRR=13.5 TRR=9.0

    Based upon the basic data from the last three years, there is no evidence which indicates Rudy Gay is nothing but an average rebounder for a SF.