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    Default Raptors Big Board

    1. D. Williams
    2. E. Kanter
    3. B. Knight
    4. J. Valanciunas
    5. J. Vesely
    6. K. Walker
    7. K. Leonard
    8. B. Bioyombo
    9. A. Burks
    10. T. Thompson

    If the Raps are keeping the 5th pick, I would take the first guy available in this order. Thoughts?

    PS. If we could dump Bargnani, Calderon, and Barbosa, in exchange for Rudy Gay, I think that would be right and tight.

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    My board:

    1. Kanter
    2. Williams
    3. Valanciunas (if buyout arranged)
    4. Knight
    5. Walker
    6. Leonard (his athleticism was not good at Combine)
    7. Burks
    8. Biyombo
    9. Thompson
    10. Vesely

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    Hey, I'm posting again after a leaving for a short while.

    My board:

    1. Kanter
    2. Williams
    3. Walker
    4. Knight
    5. Valanciunas
    6. Thompson
    7. Burks
    8. Leonard
    9. Vesely
    10. Biyombo

    Obviously it depends on who is available. I think that in a draft like this, and the situation the Raptors are in, the best player available should definitely be drafted. We don't have any indispensable players, so drafting by position and need would be dumb. I think the only player who is 100% important to this franchise moving forward is Ed Davis, everyone else can be moved (not saying they should be)

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    My Board O' Nine (broken up into my Big Four, then the other the players I wouldn't mind in TO):

    1. Williams (trade up with Minnesota, no way he falls to 5)
    2. Kanter (trade up with Utah, maybe he falls to 5)
    3. Knight (there will definitely be a learning curve, but I'm impressed with his versatility, and believe he will learn well how to run an offense.)
    4. Singleton [for his Glue Potential (tm)] Call me crazy, but DD/CS/ED will be a championship calibre 2-3-4 set down the line. Why I rank him so high is that he brings that elite defense without sacrificing offense. We saw what just happened to OKC, CHI and MEM (they had their elite defender on the floor, but as a result couldn't score to catch-up/pull-away). His wing defense is more valuable than the offensive skills of nearly everyone in the draft.

    5. Walker
    6. Valanciunas
    7. Biyombo (I don't see him being another of those shot blocking bigs who never play more than a season or two. I believe he's got a high b-ball IQ and is possessed of good floor leadership).
    8. Faried (I like Faried's game, but on a team already possessed of Davis and Johnson, I just don't see where he's getting his minutes. If the Raps had only one of them, I'd rank him higher.)
    9. Leonard

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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    My Board O' Nine (broken up into my Big Four, then the other the players I wouldn't mind in TO):

    1. Williams (trade up with Minnesota, no way he falls to 5)
    2. Kanter (trade up with Utah, maybe he falls to 5)
    3. Knight (there will definitely be a learning curve, but I'm impressed with his versatility, and believe he will learn well how to run an offense.)
    4. Singleton [for his Glue Potential (tm)] Call me crazy, but DD/CS/ED will be a championship calibre 2-3-4 set down the line. Why I rank him so high is that he brings that elite defense without sacrificing offense. We saw what just happened to OKC, CHI and MEM (they had their elite defender on the floor, but as a result couldn't score to catch-up/pull-away). His wing defense is more valuable than the offensive skills of nearly everyone in the draft.

    5. Walker
    6. Valanciunas
    7. Biyombo (I don't see him being another of those shot blocking bigs who never play more than a season or two. I believe he's got a high b-ball IQ and is possessed of good floor leadership).
    8. Faried (I like Faried's game, but on a team already possessed of Davis and Johnson, I just don't see where he's getting his minutes. If the Raps had only one of them, I'd rank him higher.)
    9. Leonard
    I like Singleton a lot, but at number 5 it's a bit too high. I think if we had a pick around 8-14 then he'd be a great pickup. Actually, I think that the Raptors should buy a pick or trade for a pick around 15-20 so that we can draft Faried.

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    it'd be a reach, but you take who you want and is going to play best on your team
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    in conclusion, i hate vesely
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    id take a guy like singleton over vesely who's slated to be a top 10 pick
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    id take a guy like singleton over vesely who's slated to be a top 10 pick
    Vesely is really really good. He's 6'11, quick, athletic and quite strong for a lanky guy. Unlike the stereotype of European bigs, he pretty much plays in the paint and attacks a lot. A bit like Gallinari, with more hops and a worse shooting stroke.

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    anyways, here's mine

    1. kanter
    2. knight
    3. walker
    4. jonas
    5. burks
    6. biyombo
    7. thompson

    players i'd like to see them trade down/buy pick and get
    1. singleton
    2. lee
    3. morris
    4. brooks
    5. vucevic
    6. joseph
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    Vesely is going to be on the cover of Bust Magazine next to Jamarcus Russell
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    There are some good articles in that magazine about Adam Morison's stash. They have measurements from the moustache combine.

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    Vesely can't play defense, and therefore the Raptors should have no use for him (and it's the reason I didn't list him, nor Fredette, on my board).

    And let me just throw this out there: why would it be wrong to use the 5th pick on Chris Singleton, but okay for someone like Vesely? Because Vesely is a better scorer? Have people forgotten that playing defense is 50% of the game, or that looking at the list of the league's best defensive teams is basically equal to looking at the list of playoff teams? This isn't to argue super hardcore for Singleton, per se, it's more just to raise a point about what's seen as valuable these days. It's crazy to me that the highest projection for the best defender on the NCAA's best defensive team - and a player who got remarkably better on offense in his second year - tops out in the mid first round, meanwhile players like Jan Vesely, Jimmer Fredette and Alec Burks who are allergic to the concept of defense are projected unanimously in the lotto.

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    he isn't allergic to defense he just didn't have to play it much in his college scheme leave him alone
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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    Vesely can't play defense, and therefore the Raptors should have no use for him (and it's the reason I didn't list him, nor Fredette, on my board).
    Vesely can't play defense? Guess we haven't been watching the same guy, anyone know of another Vesely that entered the draft? My God, he was part of a Partizan team last year that was in Euro Final 4 that got there solely on defense, rebounding and hustle. Yeah, that's exactly the kind of player Raps have no need for.
    Btw, we shouldn't be taking him with #5, but not for the above mentioned reasons, but for his raw offensive game.

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    Quote dzoni71 wrote: View Post
    Vesely can't play defense? Guess we haven't been watching the same guy, anyone know of another Vesely that entered the draft? My God, he was part of a Partizan team last year that was in Euro Final 4 that got there solely on defense, rebounding and hustle. Yeah, that's exactly the kind of player Raps have no need for.
    Btw, we shouldn't be taking him with #5, but not for the above mentioned reasons, but for his raw offensive game.
    What qualifies in Europe as good defence, does not always translate so well in the NBA. This is not a euro bashing message at all, just the reality of judging a players defence on that level and attempting to translate it to the NBA. For instance, Jose Calderon was considered one of the better defenders at his position in Europe.

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    Quote MyMomLovesMe wrote: View Post
    What qualifies in Europe as good defence, does not always translate so well in the NBA. This is not a euro bashing message at all, just the reality of judging a players defence on that level and attempting to translate it to the NBA. For instance, Jose Calderon was considered one of the better defenders at his position in Europe.
    This is silly. When scouts talk about Vesely's D, they're obviously talking about his potential to be a good NBA defender. And I have no idea how Calderon was in Europe but he wasn't a poor defender until he lost a step or three over the years. Keep with the revisionist history though.

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    Quote Quixotic wrote: View Post
    This is silly. When scouts talk about Vesely's D, they're obviously talking about his potential to be a good NBA defender.
    You are correct in saying this. I've read a lot recently about how opposing teams call iso on him because of his poor man to man defense. It should be an immediate red flag on a player any time the opposing team has decided to isolate a particular player because he can be easily exposed. When I read about Vesley I keep hearing out of this world physical tools without the means to adequately take advantage of them... Yet. To me that says 50/50 bang or bust. He sounds like a player who would fit best on a team looking to push the ball because he's not going to get you much on offense if he's not running the floor.

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    Quote jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    Because Vesely is a better scorer? Have people forgotten that playing defense is 50%
    I'm not sure alot of people even realized defense was part of the game.

    Vesely has Euro "D" on his resume... which usually translates into no defense in the NBA.

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    look im not going to stand around and watch you talk this garbage about my burksy like this
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