Rubio & Calderon \ Flynn & Kemba = Kawhi Leonard

[charlz]

Well the first domino has fallen:

T'wolves have reached deal with Rubio

Now the question becomes do the raps deal calderone for Flynn who is clearly on the move

As we all know Minnesota is a young team and trying to integrate a Spanish national might be the next most logical stop for the team oriented albeit slowing Calderon.

If this deal goes through there is NO WAY the raptors will draft Kemba or Brandon Knight (should he fall that far)... so what will happen.

(a) Draft Jan Vesely - Hell no! it wont happen - I promise you that.
(b)Trade the pick + Bargs in a package to Clippers for Deandre Jordan and Chris Kaman? Maybe..
(c) Draft another athletic wing player Kawhi Leonard from compton Demar's hood - that my best guess and nbadraft is saying the same thing

BC had a chance to draft Lamarcus Alderidge a guy who grew up in Bosh's back yard instead took EuroBargs - HE WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE...

If they do draft Kawhi Leonard kiss sonny & jWright good bye bet on the return of reggie and BC is will likely use the TPE to talke back bad contract in a effort to move bargs and get a center.

[LBF]

there's just one flaw to your post.

it's Chris Kaman

not Kris Kahman

[ceez]

I'd say there's more flaws than that

[Quixotic]

Yeah, LOL. If you (LBF) are going to criticize his spelling, then you might as well criticize all the other spelling mistakes, lack of punctuation, inconsistent capitalization, etc.

[charlz]

there's just one flaw to your post.

it's Chris Kaman

not Kris Kahman

lol - true. Anyhow we all know how much Clippers love to shed salary and keep players in rookie contract so that deal could be interesting... no to mention they traded away their first round pick

[Quixotic]

no to mention they traded away their first round pick

Considering they traded away a first round pick that was going to be close to where we currently draft, this is not a very good reason why they'd do the trade. Especially when they just gave up that pick to save barely over $10 mil in salary over the next two years, and now you think they want to ADD Bargnani's three extra years over Kaman while S&Ting Jordan away as well?

[Employee]

So what's a realistic trade that would include Jose for Flynn?

[charlz]

Considering they traded away a first round pick that was going to be close to where we currently draft, this is not a very good reason why they'd do the trade. Especially when they just gave up that pick to save barely over $10 mil in salary over the next two years, and now you think they want to ADD Bargnani's three extra years over Kaman while S&Ting Jordan away as well?

great question - I dont know the answer fully but I can speculate Raps can take back +9 mill on TPE (which expires 7 days after draft if I am not mistaken) so that + the pick could be the carrot to make a deal happen if BC wants to go that way - maybe a 3 team maybe bargs is a separate deal... the great thing is BC has options

[charlz]

So what's a realistic trade that would include Jose for Flynn?

Jose < - > flynn Webster (salary dump)
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5wbosnb

or maybe an s+t for weems there are a few ways BC could spin it...

[Employee]

Jose < - > flynn Webster (salary dump)
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5wbosnb

or maybe an s+t for weems there are a few ways BC could spin it...

I would be cool with that. Webster ain't even that bad. Shot 41% from 3 last year.

[MangoKid]

Personally, I really like Martel Webster. Id love to have him in Toronto. However, I dont know how keen the Wolves would be to just dumping him.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

I posted this as a new topic in the Trade Proposals section of the RR Forum:

So in light of Rubio deciding to come play for Minnesota, I thought I'd revisit the Calderon-to-Minnesota rumor and address a few teams' needs.

TO MINNESOTA
- Calderon (to mentor Rubio and give Minny veteran leadership on the floor)
- Barbosa (they have no SG and he would also be another veteran that Kahn wants)
- #5 pick (from Toronto)

TO INDIANA
- Ridnour (PG/salary dump for Minny, would be veteran PG for Indy to pair with Collison)
- Ellington (end of bench player from Minny, purely for salary-matching reasons)

TO TORONTO
- Flynn (PG dump for Minny, would give Bayless good young competition for PG time in TO)
- Webster (salary-matching from Minny, more decent young wing depth for Toronto)
- Posey (salary dump from Indy, either bought-out or traded by Toronto)
- cash from Indy to help facilitate buy-out of Posey
- #2 pick (from Minny)
- #45 pick (from Indy)


* Toronto would have a few more options regarding which players to keep, trade or buy-out (Posey) --> I assume Toronto would draft Williams @ #2, or possibly Kanter

* Minny would go from Flynn/Ridnour to Calderon/Rubio at PG, would also add a veteran SG on an expiring contract in Barbosa (Webster is behind Beasley/Wesley at SF) and would still have the #5 pick to either use or trade

* Indy would add veteran PG depth (Ridnour) for the big expiring contract of Posey, a 2nd-round pick and cash; they would save $2M next season


NOTE:
I couldn't do the trade as-is, due to Barbosa not having exercised his option, but I did it with Kleiza/DeRozan acting as a place-holder for his contract, since they are roughly equal money. That trade did work on ESPN's Trade Machine

[CalgaryRapsFan]

It could be even more simple:

TO MINNY
- Calderon
- #5 pick

TO TORONTO
- Flynn
- Webster
- #2 pick

I'm worried that Minny might want more in return for Flynn/Webster/#2 though.

[Dr Hannibal Lecter]

CalgaryRapsFan....I like ure thinking..but will minny bite,plus I don't see Flynn being that guy(pg)..but u never know until give kid a chance..just look at chancey billups..
If raps can get 2nd pick from minny 2 draft Derrick Williams it's all good.

[HuskyRaptor]

It could be even more simple:

TO MINNY
- Calderon
- #5 pick

TO TORONTO
- Flynn
- Webster
- #2 pick

I'm worried that Minny might want more in return for Flynn/Webster/#2 though.

this trade must happen!

[CalgaryRapsFan]

this trade must happen!

I am a huge Calderon fan, but to trade him for Flynn, Webster and Williams @ #2? How can you not? Calderon's not in the long-term plans, so it's a great trade even if Flynn doesn't become the PG of the future... at the very least it creates competition between him and Bayless for the starting PG job, which would theoretically raise his and Bayless' trade value!

[LBF]

I'd say there's more flaws than that

ya, i know i was making light of it though.

[LBF]

Yeah, LOL. If you (LBF) are going to criticize his spelling, then you might as well criticize all the other spelling mistakes, lack of punctuation, inconsistent capitalization, etc.

nah, it's a forum not an english essay. just thought he should at least get the guys name right.

[GarbageTime]

It could be even more simple:

TO MINNY
- Calderon
- #5 pick

TO TORONTO
- Flynn
- Webster
- #2 pick

I'm worried that Minny might want more in return for Flynn/Webster/#2 though.

man I'd want more than that for taking Flynn from them and getting the opportunity to draft a tweener in a terrible draft class. (I'd take Ridnour in a second over Flynn).

Its not tough to say no to:
40% fg and 4 assts on 2.6 turnovers. Also ranked the 6th most negatively influential player in basketball.

No Flynn, No Tweeners, No more soft Cs, No more undersized SGs playing PG... how about the Raps start building a REAL NBA team. You know, with good players, that are the right size and actually have a positive effect on the franchise

[CalgaryRapsFan]

man I'd want more than that for taking Flynn from them and getting the opportunity to draft a tweener in a terrible draft class. (I'd take Ridnour in a second over Flynn).

Its not tough to say no to:
40% fg and 4 assts on 2.6 turnovers. Also ranked the 6th most negatively influential player in basketball.

No Flynn, No Tweeners, No more soft Cs, No more undersized SGs playing PG... how about the Raps start building a REAL NBA team. You know, with good players, that are the right size and actually have a positive effect on the franchise

I don't think anybody claimed that this one trade would solve all the Raptors' problems. And they may very well take Kanter at #2, who knows. #2 gives them more options than #5 does, regardless who they end up drafting. I don't know how you would argue that the team is better with Calderon and #5 than they would be with Flynn & Webster & #2. A trade like this gives BC more flexibility to make additional trades, as it is all about small steps in the right direction, acquiring better younger assets that can eventually become a good team. You don't get from last season to contender overnight.