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    Quote DaveKim wrote: View Post
    I dont see how Flynn can be traded to the Raptors. What assets do we have to trade for Flynn? I mean Jose would be good mentor, but there is no way they would take on Jose and his redic contract for flynn. They would have to get atleast ed davis i would think.

    I feel that people think that MIni just wants to dump Flynn onto another team without getting any assets in return. Flynn was considered the best PG of that draft class and im sure Mini wants to get as much assets in return, regardless of what Rubio's sighing. I think if we have to forfeit our draft pick, #5, for flynn it might be worth the gamble, especially if knight and kanter are off the board.

    Also, i see no way that the Mini would give up their 2nd overall pick for whatever assets we give them, unless its derozan. They can do much better in the open market than the proposals i have seen in this thread of giving them a variation of jose + fillers +#5 for FLynn+fillers+#2.
    I think you overvalue Flynn here. He hasn't impressed anybody and people want Kahn's head for picking him before Stephen Curry, and other much better players from that draft. At the same time there is potential, dont get me wrong Flynn has the opportunity to become a very serviceable young player. I think that Calderon's value is more than Flynn's.

    Also the 2nd overall pick is not worth Derozan. Its worth the 5th pick and maybe barbosa or something like that. The variation of that trade you mentioned makes a lot of sense value wise to both teams.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    They took him 6th overall, right after just taking Rubio 5th. They were heavily criticized for this by virtually everyone. If they don't get something of equal value back for him it's going to be a PR nightmare. They moved Foye and Mike Miller to get the Rubio pick. Foye had been progressing very well in Minnesota at that time. His value then was worth a lot more in my opinion than Jose Calderon is worth now. Mike Miller just had a solid season for the Wolves.
    just from what I got from (reading) Minnesota fans... they are indifferent to him. He is to Minny fans what Weems is to most of us. If they got something for him great, if they didn't, well he's not gonna see minutes anyways.

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    Quote GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    just from what I got from (reading) Minnesota fans... they are indifferent to him. He is to Minny fans what Weems is to most of us. If they got something for him great, if they didn't, well he's not gonna see minutes anyways.
    I got the same thing reading Minny's True Hoop blog, that the majority of them are more fed up with Flynn than RR folks are fed up with Bargnani. I also got the impression that they didn't have much use for Webster, as he was either 3rd on the SF depth chart behind Beasley & Wesley Johnson or playing out of position at SG (part of the reason I thought they might have use for Barbosa, as a legit SG and a veteran that Kahn talked about wanting to add to his young club).

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    Posted this in another thread and realized I should have posted it here:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6anxosj

    Add the #2 pick on Minny's side. Best I could come up with by involving only the Raptors and T'Wolves. I still think Minny would want a little something more if they don't acquire our 5th pick. If the 5th pick is in there, I'd say it's a done deal.

    Minny: + Get's rid of Flynn/Ridnour, room for Jose/Rubio
    + J. Johnson helps them on the wings where they are weak
    + Some throw-ins (Alabi + TPE)
    + Bargnani can provide much needed offense for Minny up-front
    - They take on a lot of salary (Bargnani/Calderon)
    - Bargnani may not be the "veteran big" they are looking for (in regards to #2 pick)
    - Older, no draft pick

    Raptors: + Get's rid of Calderon's contract
    + Bargnani situation resolved
    + Acquire Flynn (good young competition at PG)
    + Webster helps fill void at SF
    + #2 Pick for D. Williams/Kanter (#5 pick for Leonard/Valanciunas?)
    - No room for Ridnour, too expensive to be a 3rd string PG
    - Pekovic replaces Alabi's spot on the bench, but his seat costs almost 4mil more.

    Is this realistic? I hope so.

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    Quote Macc wrote: View Post
    Posted this in another thread and realized I should have posted it here:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6anxosj

    Add the #2 pick on Minny's side. Best I could come up with by involving only the Raptors and T'Wolves. I still think Minny would want a little something more if they don't acquire our 5th pick. If the 5th pick is in there, I'd say it's a done deal.

    Minny: + Get's rid of Flynn/Ridnour, room for Jose/Rubio
    + J. Johnson helps them on the wings where they are weak
    + Some throw-ins (Alabi + TPE)
    + Bargnani can provide much needed offense for Minny up-front
    - They take on a lot of salary (Bargnani/Calderon)
    - Bargnani may not be the "veteran big" they are looking for (in regards to #2 pick)
    - Older, no draft pick

    Raptors: + Get's rid of Calderon's contract
    + Bargnani situation resolved
    + Acquire Flynn (good young competition at PG)
    + Webster helps fill void at SF
    + #2 Pick for D. Williams/Kanter (#5 pick for Leonard/Valanciunas?)
    - No room for Ridnour, too expensive to be a 3rd string PG
    - Pekovic replaces Alabi's spot on the bench, but his seat costs almost 4mil more.

    Is this realistic? I hope so.
    I'll go with anything the gets rid of Calderon and Bargnani. Anything.
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    I'll go with anything the gets rid of Calderon and Bargnani. Anything.
    What about a trade that involves Gilbert Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu coming to Toronto?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    What about a trade that involves Gilbert Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu coming to Toronto?
    better yet, what about a trade that involves steve nash and marc gasol! but I like your suggestion :]

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    Quote Tank wrote: View Post
    Don't like Flynn as a starting PG at all, and I don't get the idea of taking other teams "outcasts" and hoping to try and make them into something they are not, ie. a star/piece of the puzzle. However, I would do this deal if means moving up in the draft, and/or, for lack of a better word, dumping Calderon and his contract.
    How is flynn an outcast? he had a good rookie yar and abad second year because of injury. He was selected in the 2009 draft at 6... 2009 has turned out to be a strong class thus far i feel confident in us getting flynn. everyone here said the same things about james johnson at the time and bayless... both times the pessemists were prooven wrong. i see no difference this time.

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    Quote GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    Are you serious?

    No where did I say someone's opinion was wrong. I never said anything was fact. I made sure not to use any individuals name specifically (except to use a quote), hence "you guys" (and if one somehow took that to literally mean anyone inparticular or themselves inparticular well thats hardly my fault). I did not insult anyone or use inappropriate language. If someone took that personally or it somehow hurt someone's feelings well I imagine they are made of glass.

    If that post is somehow belittling people, then I would argue you are using your post to belittle me in the exact same way.

    In the words of Bouncepass "settle down" (and if I must that is not intended as a slight towards bouncepass, a mode of disrespect towards him, or an insult towards anyone).

    PS. Feel free to delete both your post directed at me, and this one as a response to you as they are quite unneccessary and unrelated to this discussion. I will not take it personally. (and if I must again I am not trying to be sarcastic, belittle you, or insults you)
    No need to delete.

    I apologize for misreading and misinterpreting.

    As we were....

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    No need to delete.

    I apologize for misreading and misinterpreting.

    As we were....
    Appreciated. TY.

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    Key words were, "Right now we're keeping two."

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    Default Does Flynn = Nash in the long term or Starbury?

    BC has made one of the best, and one of the worst decisions in NBA history, in terms of acquiring point guards. First, he made the horrific decision of trading Jason Kidd, in his prime, no less, for Stephon Marbury. This ended up being one of the most lopsided trades in recent history. Starbury put up decent stats, but was a locker room hazard. Kidd put up MVP stats in New Jersey and led the team to back-to-back NBA finals.

    Then three years later, Colangelo made the brilliant move of signing an often-inured, supposedly exiting his prime, point guard in Steve Nash. Nash wins back-to-back MVPs and the Suns become a offensive juggernaut and a should-have-been-a-championship team in 2007.

    BC loves building teams around elite point guards. So, I ask you: If we chase Jonny Flynn, who is he more likely to become, Steve Nash or Stephon Marbury? Or is he even capable of becoming a poor man's version of either?

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    Quote Jay_Dubyah wrote: View Post
    BC has made one of the best, and one of the worst decisions in NBA history, in terms of acquiring point guards. First, he made the horrific decision of trading Jason Kidd, in his prime, no less, for Stephon Marbury. This ended up being one of the most lopsided trades in recent history. Starbury put up decent stats, but was a locker room hazard. Kidd put up MVP stats in New Jersey and led the team to back-to-back NBA finals.

    Then three years later, Colangelo made the brilliant move of signing an often-inured, supposedly exiting his prime, point guard in Steve Nash. Nash wins back-to-back MVPs and the Suns become a offensive juggernaut and a should-have-been-a-championship team in 2007.

    BC loves building teams around elite point guards. So, I ask you: If we chase Jonny Flynn, who is he more likely to become, Steve Nash or Stephon Marbury? Or is he even capable of becoming a poor man's version of either?
    Marbury's game in Minnesota and New Jersey with Nash's shooting percentages and selflessness would be nice, no?

    Forgetting personalities and indulging the query, if those are the only two options, my guess would be Marbury - and that would assume he reached his FULL basketball potential and we forgot about character.

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    Default You know what I mean Apollo

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    What about a trade that involves Gilbert Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu coming to Toronto?
    Let's keep this with Minny ok? As for those two, Orlando's screwed.
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    Quote GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    wow is this ever getting out of hand.

    You guys do realize that this is being considered one of the worst draft classes in maybe a decade right?

    You guys do know what Johnny Flynn has done to date in the NBA right?

    Amir or Ed? Just to "get from under Calderon's contract"? You do realize he only has 2 years left and its 9-10 mil dollars... and we aren't talking about a Gilbert Arenas type player right?

    My god I am so thankful you guys don't run this team.
    thats why i don't reposnd to a lot of things on here because its just nonsense
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    The Timberwolves agreeing to terms with Ricky Rubio on a contract means they are expected to move former Syracuse standout Jonny Flynn, who fell out of favor with coach Kurt Rambis and was replaced at the point by Luke Ridnour. Look for the Kings and Raptors to make bids for Flynn, who faltered in general manager David Kahn’s survival-of-the-fittest plan for his point guards . . .
    http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb..._miami/?page=5

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    Quote Jay_Dubyah wrote: View Post
    BC loves building teams around elite point guards. So, I ask you: If we chase Jonny Flynn, who is he more likely to become, Steve Nash or Stephon Marbury? Or is he even capable of becoming a poor man's version of either?
    My question to you would be, why does he have to be either of those guys? They can't guard their shadows.

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    This trade actually makes a lot of sense and would really help the Raptors by...

    1. Getting rid of Calderon
    2. Moving up in the draft
    3. Getting a decent defender in Martell Webster
    4. They free up Barbosa's contract, which is pretty big

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    Quote pesterm1 wrote: View Post
    How is flynn an outcast? he had a good rookie yar and abad second year because of injury. He was selected in the 2009 draft at 6... 2009 has turned out to be a strong class thus far i feel confident in us getting flynn. everyone here said the same things about james johnson at the time and bayless... both times the pessemists were prooven wrong. i see no difference this time.
    Injury or not, I still don't like Flynn. I'm sure you would agree that Flynn is not a piece of the puzzle (in Minnesota and definitely not here), and neither are Bayless and Johnson, they are simply not assets. Were the latter two good pickups? Sure, great moves by BC, but they are just rotation guys and imo that's all they'll be, but that's besides the point, if it means moving up in the draft and/or getting some other good pieces, then you trade for Flynn, if it's a straight up 1 for 1 deal...then you probably don't. That's what I think anyways, never been a Flynn guy.

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