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    Default HW:Ingramreporting MIN wants DeMar; Litel #2/Flynn for #5/DD (post #81 for Litel)

    I could not believe this.


    Brian in Mankato, MN:
    Bill - I am really worried Kahn is going to screw things up even worse than the Wolves already are. Are you hearing anything on the draft? Potential trades? They need a 2 guard, so I really wish they would make a play for Mayo. Thanks!

    Bill Ingram:
    I understand your concern, but I have it on good authority that a two-guard is the #1 priority this summer. Honestly, I'm waiting for the press conference about Rambis being fired . . .when a team is as good on paper and as bad in the standings as the Wolves were last season, something has to give. They're offering up the #2 pick in an effort to grab a true shooting guard, and I've heard the player they have targeted is DeRozan.

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    Drew in Minny:
    If you are tpups now that you have Rubio what do you do with #2? Trade if so for who? or take Williams or Kanter? Also what happens if Williams goes 1 and Irving falls to 2?

    Bill Ingram:
    Irving won't fall. Bank on that. And the Wolves don't need Kanter or Williams. They trade the #2 for a shooting guard. Think DeRozan.

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    Personally, I call b.s.

    Rubio and DeMar in the backcourt would be one of the worst distance shooting pairings of all time.

    With DeMar's potential just scratching the surface and the amount of work already put in to him, I would not entertain such thoughts for an unknown commodity in the draft (Williams or Kanter).

    What do you think?

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    If they're willing to give up the #2 in a package (and without having to give up the #5 pick) and we could jettison either Calderon in the deal, I'd listen. Minnesota has some assets (Wes Johnson, Beasley, Flynn).

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    If they're willing to give up the #2 in a package (and without having to give up the #5 pick) and we could jettison either Calderon in the deal, I'd listen. Minnesota has some assets (Wes Johnson, Beasley, Flynn).
    The T-Wolves only have one asset that is worth DeRozan, and that's Love, who the Raptors have no room for and who the T-Wolves wouldn't give up for DeRozan. It's great that they want DeRozan, but taking on a bunch of mediocre players for DeRozan would be an absolutely horrendous trade for the Raptors, and Colangelo isn't stupid.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    The T-Wolves only have one asset that is worth DeRozan, and that's Love, who the Raptors have no room for and who the T-Wolves wouldn't give up for DeRozan. It's great that they want DeRozan, but taking on a bunch of mediocre players for DeRozan would be an absolutely horrendous trade for the Raptors, and Colangelo isn't stupid.
    So the #2 pick isn't an asset? Beasley is an asset (despite the character concerns - he did put up some solid numbers this season), as is Johnson. I'm not condoning a straight up deal involving the #2 pick and Derozan, but if the Wolves wish to overpay for DeRozan, I'm sure Colangelo would be willing to listen.
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    The only way I could see the Raps even considering a deal surrounding #2 pick for DeRozan, would be if a third team was involved, since nothing the Wolves have would be worth even starting a discussion over (aside from Love).

    The Wolves' need for a SG and their desire to add some veteran leadership were the reasons I had thought about including Barbosa in a potential deal, along with Calderon, for the #2 pick (and players obviously, most likely Flynn and others for salary matching). Obviously the details would need to get ironed out and it may take a third team to make it happen, but I could genuinely see Minny having use for Calderon (veteran PG to distribute the ball and mentor Rubio) and Barbosa (could start at SG and provide veteran leadership).
    Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Mon Jun 6th, 2011 at 02:34 PM.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    So the #2 pick isn't an asset? Beasley is an asset (despite the character concerns - he did put up some solid numbers this season), as is Johnson. I'm not condoning a straight up deal involving the #2 pick and Derozan, but if the Wolves wish to overpay for DeRozan, I'm sure Colangelo would be willing to listen.
    Yes, the #2 pick is an asset. But it's certainly not worth DeRozan. Is Williams going to be better than DeRozan? Maybe. But maybe not. It's certainly not worth the risk since I doubt the upside of Williams is more than DeRozan's.

    Beasley, I don't know if he's even an asset, quite frankly. He's a less efficient and shorter version of Bargnani, but far more of a question mark because of his mental makeup. I don't know who's going to want that.

    And I really don't like trading away a better players for smaller assets, especially with where the team is now. They already have a bunch of small assets. They don't need more. What they need are simply better players, not more lesser talented players.
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    No player on this team is un-tradeable, however, we need a defensive center. None of the players offered are Centers. Even the best player available at #2 is a SF. Mini has no center worth packaging for Demar. I'm glad to see another city has noticed him BUT this looks really one sided -- They get Demar and we get a bunch of pieces that don't fit.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Yes, the #2 pick is an asset. But it's certainly not worth DeRozan. Is Williams going to be better than DeRozan? Maybe. But maybe not. It's certainly not worth the risk since I doubt the upside of Williams is more than DeRozan's.

    Beasley, I don't know if he's even an asset, quite frankly. He's a less efficient and shorter version of Bargnani, but far more of a question mark because of his mental makeup. I don't know who's going to want that.

    And I really don't like trading away a better players for smaller assets, especially with where the team is now. They already have a bunch of small assets. They don't need more. What they need are simply better players, not more lesser talented players.
    I agree with you on the point that the #2 pick is not worth Derozan, however, if the Wolves were to put together a package that doesn't require us giving back the #5 pick and offers up an overpaid package, I'd listen.

    As for Beasley, I didn't hear or read of any off-the court or on the court problems last season in Minnesota. Has he turned the corner? Hard to say. If he was included in a package deal, would I take him? I'd think about it. He certainly has talent, you can't dispute that, but would the city of Toronto make him relapse? I don't think so. I mean, there are plenty of temptations on the road in terms of vices and he's managed to stay clean. And he's only 22. I'd say he's an asset.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    If they're willing to give up the #2 in a package (and without having to give up the #5 pick) and we could jettison either Calderon in the deal, I'd listen. Minnesota has some assets (Wes Johnson, Beasley, Flynn).
    What BC knows that we all dont is if there is any interest in the #2 pick. Then the pick could be flipped.
    Certain teams get really excited about certain players - for example Portland is really high on Kemba.... who knows maybe there is a team out there that is really high on Williams...

    if so you ship out Calderon and Derozen in one deal and get back beasly + flynn+ #2
    then ship out #2 and bargs in another deal and get a legit center

    Then Draft Leonard - I think we all like DeMarr but if there is a net clear gain for the team you have to consider no one untouchable.

    But again I only do this deal if you have the flip in place to move #2 - for a Center.
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    Derozen, no
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    Unless we trade him for a all-star type player i'll be very, very disappointed. Demar has embraced toronto and done such a fantastic job representing the city and team in the short time he's been here. He's really only started to scratch the surface too.
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    If it is a straight swap, than its lateral for us, and even regressive, due to the fact that Demar has embraced the city. The only way I do it is if the Wolves overpay. If we can convert one asset into two, I would consider it.

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    I don't like it at all. I can totally understand why they would want him. He's growing by leaps and bounds. He has the potential to be the type of slasher who can get to the charity stripe 8-10 times a game. Every team would like to have that.

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    Maybe you can justify by arguing you get Williams under contract for 4 years and can use the #5 on Burks and get him for 4 years as well (maybe longer under the new CBA). Still, I don't see this deal doing much for Toronto. Given BC's constant harping on how young the team is, I have trouble seeing him making it even younger and more inexperienced.

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    I am not as high on Derozan like some fans. I see that he has made great strides, but the #2 + (something special) would peek my curiosity. I have no problems with Derozan offensively, it is his defence that would make me bite on this trade. That said, I think a lot of his defensive problems are due to our coaching and I honestly think a player of Derozan's athletic talent would be a much better defender if he developed with the bulls or Spurs.

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    I do like DeRozan, but I don't think he's untouchable. If the right package comes along, I'd wouldn't think twice about dealing him.

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    Matt,there's a reason you didn't believe this, it's because it's bullshit. Let's get the #2 pick in a one-man draft for a guy that's already shown he's on his way to be a good NBA player. C'mon. They can't possibly think that highly of Kanter or Knight that they'll waste the last two years spent on DeRozan. Also, BC wants to accelerate the rebuild, not take a step back by giving up DD!

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    Matt,there's a reason you didn't believe this, it's because it's bullshit. Let's get the #2 pick in a one-man draft for a guy that's already shown he's on his way to be a good NBA player. C'mon. They can't possibly think that highly of Kanter or Knight that they'll waste the last two years spent on DeRozan. Also, BC wants to accelerate the rebuild, not take a step back by giving up DD!

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    I know. Trust me, lol. My original thread was not as diplomatic towards Billy.

    My original interpretation was that he 1) does not think very highly of DD's value, and 2) he must think BC has become a crack addict and MIN has the last rock.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I know. Trust me, lol. My original thread was not as diplomatic towards Billy.

    My original interpretation was that he 1) does not think very highly of DD's value, and 2) he must think BC has become a crack addict and MIN has the last rock.
    lol this one is a bit of a laugher BC must of developed a love for the rock if he thinking about dealing demar....................it is interesting though, since i want to see what people out there think his trade value out there is considering hes one of the very few on our team that would draw alot of interest from teams....

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    Matt,there's a reason you didn't believe this, it's because it's bullshit. Let's get the #2 pick in a one-man draft for a guy that's already shown he's on his way to be a good NBA player. C'mon. They can't possibly think that highly of Kanter or Knight that they'll waste the last two years spent on DeRozan. Also, BC wants to accelerate the rebuild, not take a step back by giving up DD!

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