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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    The questions I have about Biyombo revolve around his real age and whether he simply has enough basic skills to play in the NBA. And I simply have not seen enough of him at all to be able to have any idea where I'd draft him. He's pretty much a complete unknown to me. Just based on the scouting reports, I'd certainly think about drafting him at 5 if Kanter (who I've seen more of) is gone.

    Cool, thanks for answering my question!


    As for me, I don't think I'd take him at 5, but wouldn't have a problem trying to get him with a later pick. However, what do we have to give up to get that second pick? Unless that deal is a good one, it's not worth it.
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    Chad Ford (ESPN Insider) take on Biyombo at Eurocamp:

    Bismack Biyombo was the main attraction at this year's Eurocamp. On the court, he disappointed. Biyombo decided to skip the game and drill portion of the camp, and instead did a one-on-none workout in front of 100 or so NBA scouts and GMs.

    While Biyombo is a fantastic athlete, and has a crazy 7-foot-6 wingspan, an NBA body and speed … these sort of workouts aren't ideal for him. Biyombo looked understandably nervous and it seemed to affect his game. Much of the workout focused on his perimeter skills -- a major weakness of Biyombo. He missed roughly 75 to 80 percent of the shots he took in this portion of the workout.

    He was better when he showed his speed, power and ability to dunk the basketball. Had the workout been geared toward big men, he likely would've shown better. In fact, several NBA sources who saw his workouts in Spain said he looked better when NBA teams were allowed to ask him to do specific big man drills.

    Unfortunately, the workout didn't focus him in that direction. Instead of being reminded of why so many fell in love with him at the Nike Hoop Summit -- his amazing rebounding and shot-blocking -- we were shown his weaknesses for roughly 30 minutes.

    As one GM summed it up, "Bismack Biyombo played one-against-none today … and he lost."

    It's a funny quip, but probably isn't very accurate. The workout is unlikely to hurt him. NBA teams that have done their homework understand his strengths and weaknesses. They know he's a player you draft for defense, rebounding and size -- not to shoot the basketball.

    I've also heard a number of reports from NBA teams that he looked much better in Spain and knocked it out of the park in his interviews. I had the chance to sit down with him for almost an hour and I see the appeal. He's smart, articulate and has a really amazing story. I'll chime in on that more Tuesday in a full feature on Biyombo.

    As for his draft stock, I still think he goes somewhere between 8 and 20. That is, admittedly, a pretty wide range with just 10 days to go before the draft. The Pistons are giving him a long look at the high side, as are the Cavs, Bobcats, Bucks, Jazz, Rockets, Sixers and Knicks. I doubt he slides past the Wolves at No. 20. Biyombo is a risk on the high end of the draft. But his physical talents along with his production in the ACB this year suggest, at the very minimum, he'll have a long career in the league as a defensive stopper in the paint.

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    Whoever ran that workout for him should be fired. It doesn't take a genius to realize that he needs to showoff his strengths, not his weaknesses.
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    I think we need someone that can dominate the low post rather than another guy that can defend the low post... Davis and Amir are decent defenders, i really don't think Biyombo will be that much better than davis defensively and i don't see davis being a threat in the low post with his current skills and size

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Whoever ran that workout for him should be fired. It doesn't take a genius to realize that he needs to showoff his strengths, not his weaknesses.
    Maybe that was intended. Make his stock drop so that one of the later picks could snatch him.

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    Quote keefec wrote: View Post
    I think we need someone that can dominate the low post rather than another guy that can defend the low post... Davis and Amir are decent defenders, i really don't think Biyombo will be that much better than davis defensively and i don't see davis being a threat in the low post with his current skills and size
    We all hope Davis will add a little weight and strength, and if he does I am sure we will see a much more effective player on the bock. While he is not polished, he has shown flashes of a jump hook a face up game from 12-15 feet. http://raptorsrepublic.com/2011/05/0...vis-post-game/ Here is a video posted on the republic showing his good and bad post ups, you can see he has some room to grow, but there is a foundation there.

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    Default Who Is Bismack Biyombo?

    As per Chad Ford in the ESPN Insider section:

    TREVISO, ITALY -- More than 100 NBA scouts and GMs pack into a tiny Italian gym at the adidas Eurocamp on a Saturday afternoon. All eyes are on Bismack Biyombo, the mysterious big man from the Congo.

    Biyombo is working out. He is alone on the court. Trying to prove himself again. Trying to show the world he's for real.

    Clang. Clang. Clang.

    All is not going as planned.

    Biyombo is here to show the NBA world he deserves to be a lottery pick in the 2011 draft, which is less than two weeks away. Right now his audition seems more appropriate for a bricklayer. The more he misses, the more the NBA execs I'm sitting next to scribble in their books.

    After riding a six-month rise to fame during which he could seemingly do no wrong, Biyombo is stumbling at the worst possible time.

    As the workout comes to a painful conclusion, one NBA GM leans over to me and says, "Bismack Biyombo just played a game of one-on-none ... and he lost."


    Putting the pieces together

    Nine more days.

    That's how long GMs like Kevin O'Connor, Chris Grant, Bryan Colangelo, Ernie Grunfeld, Geoff Petrie, Joe Dumars and Michael Jordan have to decide on the biggest enigma of this year's draft.

    Is Biyombo -- a 6-foot-9 big man with crazy-long arms, an NBA body and bouncy springs -- the next Dwight Howard? The next Mouhamed Saer Sene? Or is he someone in between like Ben Wallace?

    Since Biyombo burst onto the scene in January, those execs, along with virtually every other team, have been trying to put together the pieces of the puzzle. A handful of teams took a trip to Spain to watch him play with Fuenlabrada of the Spanish ACB league before he left the team in April. More made the trip to Portland to watch him play at the Nike Hoop Summit, where he recorded a triple-double. More recently, a number of NBA teams traveled to Vitoria, Spain, to watch him work out with longtime coach Pepe Laso and do interviews.

    NBA GMs don't like to be caught off guard. Six months ago, none of them knew who he was. Now, he presents one of the highest risk-reward conundrums of the draft.

    Who is he? Where did he come from? Is Biyombo destined to be another player in a long line of international busts? Or is he going to follow in the footsteps of another Congolese forward, Serge Ibaka, and become a star?

    Those are the questions facing a number of NBA GMs in the lottery.


    'Basketball was my life'

    Late Saturday evening, Biyombo is in my hotel room telling me his unbelievable life story. His huge frame fills a small desk chair next to my bed. His voice is deep. When he tells his story, he has perspective and depth. He's had experiences at 18 that most of us don't have by 40. He's been a pro since 14. He left home at 16 to play in several Middle Eastern countries. He flew to Spain less than a year later to embark on a pro career. He speaks six languages: English, Spanish, French, Arabic and two dialects of Congolese.

    When he talks, he sounds like a wise, old traveler ... not the 18-year-old he claims to be.

    "I was born on August 28, 1992," he tells me several times. He repeats the date several times in the interview.

    But ask NBA scouts -- any NBA scout -- and they'll tell you he's closer to 22 than 18. They have no proof, mind you. He just looks, sounds, acts and plays older, they claim.

    I understand the feeling. Everything about Biyombo sounds and feels older. But his life experiences might explain that. He's not a coddled AAU star. He grew up in a culture that demands that you fend for yourself at a very young age.

    Biyombo is the oldest of seven brothers and sisters from the city of Lubumbashi. He began playing basketball at age 9, professionally at age 14 in the Congo.

    By the time he was 16, he decided to leave his home, despite his parents' objections, to play for a professional team in Qatar. But on his way, he stopped in Yemen for a week to get a visa, and once basketball officials got word that he was in town, they offered to let him practice with the team. Even at 16, Biyombo possessed the body of a man and the athleticism of an NBA player. Within a week, they offered him a contract.

    "It's very different from the rest of the world," Biyombo said. "I knew nobody. I was still very young. Moving away from my family was a little difficult for me. On the other hand, it was something I really wanted to do. It was something I loved."

    He did not attend school. Instead, he practiced for hours a day.

    "Basketball was my life," he said. "All of my life."

    His young life took another big turn when he traveled with his team to a tournament in Jordan. There he met former Jordanian and Angolan national team coach Mario Palma. Palma was impressed with Biyombo's ability and maturity, and praised his play after a game. Biyombo had a message for him, too: Help me get to a better league.

    "He came to talk to me and asked for help," Palma told FIBA.com. "He said he wanted to play at a high level. Initially, I thought of sending him to Angola, where I have some contacts, so he could progress there. I thought of Angola because of the cultural proximity to his country of origin. Then I contacted someone in Spain [agent Igor Crespo] and everything started from there. It was the right choice."

    "I told him, I don't want anything, just a good coach and a chance to play," Biyombo said. "That's all I ask."


    Climbing the ranks

    At age 16, in June 2009, Biyombo left Yemen for Vitoria without a new basketball contract. But he did have a workout, arranged by Crespo, with a number of the top teams in Spain.

    "A lot of teams came to watch me practice," Biyombo says. "No one was interested, I tell you.

    "After many weeks, finally a team [Fuenlabrada] came and offered me a shot at their junior team. They told me if I played well I could then play fourth division. Then in a couple of years, third division. Maybe someday I can play in the ACB. I said, no problem, I'll take it."


    Biyombo began playing for Fuenlabrada's junior team, but he wasn't satisfied with the competition. He says he called the coach of the third-division team and asked him whether he could practice with that team as well.

    "The coach came up to me right after practice and told me, 'You are not going to play anymore with the junior team. You are going to skip the fourth division. You are going to play with me,'" Biyombo said.

    The next year, Biyombo ended up playing for both the third- and fourth-division teams. On Saturday, he'd play third-division games and, then on Sunday, fourth-division games. To keep up with both teams, he'd sometimes have to practice four times a day.

    At the end of the season, Crespo asked Biyombo whether he wanted to go home to his family for the summer. Biyombo told him that he wanted to stay and get better. He no longer felt challenged in the third division. His goal was to move up to the first division of the ACB the next season.

    At the beginning of the 2010-11 season, Biyombo was still on the third-division team in Spain. One month into the season, he moved up to the second division. He began practicing with the first dvision as well, and his defense against Esteban Batista, one of the best centers in Europe, wowed the coaching staff. When Fuenlabrada received a huge offer for Batista from Caja Laboral, the team decided to pull the trigger.

    "After Batista left, the coach says to me, 'You know what, we don't care if Batista leaves. We have you, and you can help us,'" Biyombo said.

    Batista left on a Monday. On Sunday, Jan. 9, Biyombo got his first minutes in the ACB. He played 13 minutes against DKV Joventut, finishing with five points, seven rebounds and a block. After two more games, the coach told him that he could stay with the team for the rest of the season.


    Welcome to the limelight

    Within two months, a number of NBA international scouts were following Biyombo's rise in the ACB. Biyombo played 14 games for Fuenlabrada in 2010-11, averaging 6.4 points on 56 percent shooting, 5.1 rebounds and 2.3 blocks in 17 minutes a game.

    On March 8, I wrote ESPN.com's first draft entry on him: "International scouts have been quietly buzzing for the past month about Biyombo. He's one of the few ultra athletic players in Europe right now. He has the physical profile down and scouts claim that he's more polished than most players his age. The fact that he's getting some real playing time in the best league in Europe, the ACB, helps him as well. Some are comparing him to Serge Ibaka."

    At the time, Biyombo seemed like a big-time future prospect for the 2012 or 2013 draft. A month later, he became the "it" prospect in the 2011 draft at the Nike Hoop Summit.

    Rich Sheubrooks, who works for both Nike and the Memphis Grizzlies, had spotted Biyombo in Spain and offered him a shot on the Hoop Summit team. His Spanish team balked at letting Biyombo leave during the season, but Biyombo had a clause in his contract that allowed him to go.

    The move would, once again, change his life. Most NBA teams had yet to scout Biyombo, so GMs and scouts descended in force on Portland to watch him play. He was the main attraction, and they weren't disappointed.

    Biyombo wowed all week with his toughness, athleticism, shot-blocking, leadership and motor. He was a defensive powerhouse with a Ben Wallace-esque body and a crazy 7-foot-7 wingspan.

    In the game, Biyombo dominated on the defensive end, finishing with 12 points, 11 rebounds and 10 blocks in 28 minutes against Team USA. It was the first triple-double in the history of the Hoop Summit.

    "When I walked away, I felt proud of myself," Biyombo said. "I put everything on the floor. I played very hard. I did good things on the floor.

    Biyombo said Sheubrooks was one of the first to greet him after the game. "He told me, 'What you just did over there will change your life. You'll see what will happen in the next week,'" Biyombo recalled.

    Within a week, he had risen into the lottery on our Big Board. In a draft without a lot of players with big upside, he was intriguing. A week later, Scouts Inc.'s David Thorpe argued that he could be the No. 1 pick in the draft.

    In six months, Biyombo had gone from an obscure, third-division big man in Spain to a possible lottery pick in the NBA draft. "Meteoric rise" just doesn't do it justice.

    Biyombo ended his contract with Fuenlabrada and began working out in Vitoria in preparation for the draft. A number of teams have made the trip. Most walk away impressed -- not so much with the workouts, but with the personal interview.

    "He's one of the most impressive young men I've met this year," one GM said. "He won't blow you away in a workout because he's the type of player who just plays basketball. He needs to be in a game. But in his interview? Wow. He had a high level of maturity and he's driven to succeed. He's not ready, but I have no doubt he'll put in the work he needs to be a winner."


    Intriguing possibilities

    Who is Bismack Biyombo?

    He might not be a workout guy, but he knows how to work the room.

    Six hours after his shaky workout, Biyombo is standing in the lobby of the Maggior Consiglio hotel, looking like anything but a loser. He is the proverbial most interesting man in the room, with NBA scouts and GMs flocking to him.

    Crespo is handing out a packet of information on Biyombo, arranging more interviews and laughing off one bad day of shooting. He's also hoping and praying that all the momentum and goodwill haven't vanished.

    Biyombo had been working hard to improve his shooting touch, and a number of NBA scouts who previously attended workouts in Vitoria said it was getting better. Crespo began to feel strongly that Biyombo had an opportunity in Italy to show that he was more than just a shot-blocker and defender. More than just the next Ben Wallace.

    Wallace isn't the sort of sexy comparison that agents love to make. Dwight Howard or Kevin Garnett sells high lottery picks. Not Big Ben.

    But it's the classic mistake often made at this time of the year. With prospects trying to prove to scouts that they're better than their scouting reports, their agents typically become obsessed with their weaknesses instead of their strengths. Biyombo might have been shooting the ball better, but by NBA standards (and they are the gold standard), he's a terrible shooter.

    Had they run a workout in which they planted Biyombo in the paint and had various guards attack the basket, Biyombo indeed would have looked like the next Wallace. Even in limited playing time, his 2.3 blocks per game led the ACB this past season.

    Regardless, most scouts seem unfazed by the workout. Some claim he looked better in Spain. Others blame nerves and the structure of the workout. A few are concerned about his hands, his feel. Everyone is still intrigued.

    "He didn't play very well," one veteran NBA scout said. "But I didn't expect him to in that environment and with that workout. It really showed off his weaknesses, but they are weaknesses we already knew he had. I do worry about his hands. I worry about turnovers. I'm not sure how great a feel he has for the game on the offensive end. But you can't hide his strengths, either. We know what he could be, and it's very, very attractive. If he is who he's portraying himself to be, he's got a chance to be in the NBA for a long time."

    Said one GM: "He can play in the NBA right now. If you understand what he is and what he isn't, and you're OK with that, then I think he's a very safe pick. Defense helps win championships. Ben Wallace and Tyson Chandler don't score, but they help their teams in so many ways. If you value defense, length and drive, I think it's hard not to like him. Maybe love him."

    "Maybe" is a scary word so close to the draft. But it also is a hopeful word this time of the year.

    There are many "maybe" prospects in this draft. Maybe he flames out. Maybe he succeeds.

    There are nine more days to place your bets. Given all he's overcome in life, it might be unwise to bet against Biyombo playing five-on-five.
    I have this feeling that if Casey is annointed our HC, Biyombo might be a Raptor - whether it be with our own pick or whether it be another pick that is acquired to select him.

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    my thoughts on biyombo are this: if we get another pick (and kanter/jonas are off the board) and draft him, awesome. if we take him with our fifth pick and stand pat with just him i will absolutely lose my shit.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    my thoughts on biyombo are this: if we get another pick (and kanter/jonas are off the board) and draft him, awesome. if we take him with our fifth pick and stand pat with just him i will absolutely lose my shit.
    So if the Raptors do more, does that mean you WON'T lose your shit? I've got to tell you, that's not healthy.
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    DraftExpress: Biyombo's combination of length, athleticism, intensity, aggressiveness and smarts is simply unheard of. Pass on him at your own peril.
    Twitter / Jonathan Givony: Biyombo's combination of l ...


    DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
    Not sure I've met a more interesting draft prospect than Bismack Biyombo in terms of the sheer depth of his thoughts. Incredibly cognitive.
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    Great NBA.com article on Bismack Biyombo: Passionate Biyombo confident he'll leave lasting mark in NBA | NBA.com People are underestimating the importance of his intelligence/intangibles
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    That's precisely why you can throw out all the comparisons to African prospects who have come before Bismack Biyombo. Completely different.
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    Default Desperation: Biyombo To Give Private Workouts

    Bismack Backlash: In wake of shaky Euro workout, Biyombo now offering to work out for few teams in the US - Pistons & Knicks both got calls
    Source: Twitter/ @chadfordinsider

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    http://twitter.com/#!/chadfordinside...49497603325952

    Biyombo not on green room list
    may yet add 1 or 2 more players

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    Biyombo, on the heels of an underwhelming workout in Italy last week will showcase his game for a handful of teams on Monday, including the Toronto Raptors.
    Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?...#ixzz1PeFrWkG5

    Sources say Raptors are seriously looking at Biyombo. He'll workout for them on Monday. Could take him at 5 or might move down a few spots
    http://twitter.com/#!/chadfordinside...87519998586880
    Last edited by jbml; Sat Jun 18th, 2011 at 04:39 PM.

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    If Colangelo feels he's the right pick then I can't question it. The man has an excellent track record. I am hoping he instead moves Bargnani and gets a second top ten pick. I'd really like to see Walker in Toronto. If they could draft Walker and Biyombo then that's a pretty good day at the office for Colangelo in terms of adding talent and filling team needs.

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    I can't say I know his game well, but I just have a feeling that Biyombo will be a disappointment/borderline bust if he is picked to high.

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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    I can't say I know his game well, but I just have a feeling that Biyombo will be a disappointment/borderline bust if he is picked to high.
    Why?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    If Colangelo feels he's the right pick then I can't question it. The man has an excellent track record. I am hoping he instead moves Bargnani and gets a second top ten pick. I'd really like to see Walker in Toronto. If they could draft Walker and Biyombo then that's a pretty good day at the office for Colangelo in terms of adding talent and filling team needs.
    I agree; I'm not going to second-guess BC on the pic. He's the guy that has done all the research.

    And I love the idea of trading Bargs too; I'm thinking to SAC for Thompson/Casspri + #7.
    And not that I'm down on Walker, but I'd like to see Leonard drafted #5, and BB drafted #7. The defensive philosophy of this team needs to change, and I think adding two defensive specialists to the rotation would be a huge step in the right direction.

    That being said, I don't think that Bargs will be traded until this time next year.

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    Bismack+Alabi Combined Gives You A Triple Double Everynight...10 Fouls.10 Minutes.10 Turn-overs..Now That Is Building A Contender.

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    Default Bismack biyombo

    Seems like a risky situation but i feel like i would not mind if the raptors bring him in. The only concern i would have it what would happen with the solomon situation.

    Watching biyombo play, he seems to play with some grit, although he is raw, he is explosive, loves to block shots, set screens and rebound. Some thing the raptors have lacked since the jyd and ad days.

    What do you guys think?

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