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    Default DOUG SMITH on the draft. says raps take KEMBA @ 5

    this is from the Golden State website. Dough smith thinks if the draft goes:
    1 irving
    2 williams
    3 knight
    4 kanter
    5 the raps will most likely select Kemba.

    Also says the raps like kanter ALOT.

    SOURCE : http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/roy...raft_2011.html

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    I would be not unhappy with either...though I lean towards Kemba primarily on his leadership (so important for the pg position) and general intangibles. I also have seen a report that Kanter has not impressed on the defensive end...though how one truly assesses that in a workout I wouldnt know. I wouldnt want Kanter if he is not committed to defense. I presume BC would be up on this if he were to fall to the Raps.

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    Quote pesterm1 wrote: View Post
    this is from the Golden State website. Dough smith thinks if the draft goes:
    1 irving
    2 williams
    3 knight
    4 kanter
    5 the raps will most likely select Kemba.

    Also says the raps like kanter ALOT.

    SOURCE : http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/roy...raft_2011.html
    The list above is becoming more of a reality at this point. I cannot for the life of me see Kanter fall below 4. I simply cannot see it. As for the comments on D, I read that somewhere as well but he's a kid that hasn't seen real competition in almost two years. His conditioning, tenacity and size is what makes me drool. He looks like a tough SOB!!!
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    I will be shocked if there isn't a trade in the top four. And the Raptors won't take Kemba, it's Knight all the way for them.

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    The list above is becoming more of a reality at this point. I cannot for the life of me see Kanter fall below 4. I simply cannot see it. As for the comments on D, I read that somewhere as well but he's a kid that hasn't seen real competition in almost two years. His conditioning, tenacity and size is what makes me drool. He looks like a tough SOB!!!
    All it takes is one team to do something unexpected. If Golden State hadn't picked Udoh 6th, then Ed Davis probably doesn't fall to 13. Hell, Golden State should have picked Davis at 6th! Look at it this way. Kahn picks #2, and no one ever knows what the hell he is going to do. Utah picks third, and they selected Gordon Hayward last year when Davis, and Paul George were available. And I still have no idea who the guy is who's running the Cavs.

    Plus, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if one or more of the top five picks were traded. Maybe even to the Raptors!
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    All it takes is one team to do something unexpected. If Golden State hadn't picked Udoh 6th, then Ed Davis probably doesn't fall to 13. Hell, Golden State should have picked Davis at 6th! Look at it this way. Kahn picks #2, and no one ever knows what the hell he is going to do. Utah picks third, and they selected Gordon Hayward last year when Davis, and Paul George were available. And I still have no idea who the guy is who's running the Cavs.

    Plus, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if one or more of the top five picks were traded. Maybe even to the Raptors!
    I am in the camp of 'hope so'.

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    Last night I was thinking about the draft and started wondering...

    What if neither Toronto or Cleveland has enough to pry the #2 pick from Minnesota on their own, so they all did a bigger trade that left Cleveland with Minny's #2 pick (along with their own #1) and Toronto with Cleveland's #4 pick (along with their own #5)...

    Cleveland would probably take Irving & Williams, Utah likely would take Knight and Toronto winds up with both Kanter and Walker... then Toronto can wait until next year's draft to pick a stud SF...

    The deal could be something along these lines:
    TO MIN: Calderon & Hickson
    TO TOR: Flynn & Webster & #4
    TO CLE: #2
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    All it takes is one team to do something unexpected. If Golden State hadn't picked Udoh 6th, then Ed Davis probably doesn't fall to 13. Hell, Golden State should have picked Davis at 6th! Look at it this way. Kahn picks #2, and no one ever knows what the hell he is going to do. Utah picks third, and they selected Gordon Hayward last year when Davis, and Paul George were available. And I still have no idea who the guy is who's running the Cavs.

    Plus, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if one or more of the top five picks were traded. Maybe even to the Raptors!
    lol, aint that the truth.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Last night I was thinking about the draft and started wondering...

    What if neither Toronto or Cleveland has enough to pry the #2 pick from Minnesota on their own, so they all did a bigger trade that left Cleveland with Minny's #2 pick (along with their own #1) and Toronto with Cleveland's #4 pick (along with their own #5)...

    Cleveland would probably take Irving & Williams, Utah likely would take Knight and Toronto winds up with both Kanter and Walker... then Toronto can wait until next year's draft to pick a stud SF...

    The deal could be something along these lines:
    TO MIN: Calderon & Hickson
    TO TOR: Flynn & Webster & #4
    TO CLE: #2
    No way Calderon is enough to get the #4 pick. Maybe Bargnani.
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    nbadraft.net has Kanter going to the Cavs 1st overall. I'm confused.

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    Quote star_bury wrote: View Post
    nbadraft.net has Kanter going to the Cavs 1st overall. I'm confused.
    Man...that's NBAdraft.net for ya. I will give them credit cause it takes tome balls to make that bold prediction. If the Cavs aren't convinced Irving is that great then I guess it makes sense. But honestly, has anyone heard different that the Cavs ain't taking Irving first? This is just weird.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    No way Calderon is enough to get the #4 pick. Maybe Bargnani.
    Oh for sure, I'm sure other pieces would have to be included from the Raps, in addition to Calderon. I was just outlining the starting point for a trade idea that seems to make at least some sense from all sides. I assume a fourth team might need to be included to make an expanded trade work, or even have it done as a couple separate simultaneous trades.

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    Kanter at #1 is ridiculous unless there are other moving pieces here. CLE could be working something with Minnesota to ensure that they get both Kanter and Irving (trade #2 for #4 and filler, for instance). In that case, Kanter/Irving go 1/2 to Cleveland, Williams goes 3 to Utah (Minnesota might probably prefer to avoid the Beasley/Randolph/Williams dilemma entirely), leaving Minnesota with their choice of Walker, Knight (neither is likely) or one of the Euro big men. That scenario would actually benefit TO at 5, since they would probably get a crack at Knight...

    Then again, it could also just be nbadraftnet talking sh*t.

    The true wild card for TO is whether Colangelo can broker a trade for a second pick using Bargnani and possibly Calderon as assets. I think something will happen, but I don't know if those assets are enough to get another top 10 pick or not.
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    If they take Kemba I'll be really happy but based on everything I've read, Colangelo's list of realistic options who may be there at #5 right now probably reads 1. Kanter, 2. Knight and 3. Walker. I would be happy with #1 or #2 by the way.

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    The only guys I do not want BC to select are Vesely and Motiejunas. As long as its anyone both those two I'd be happy.

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    Bargnani is definitely enough, but do you want to completely cut ties with that offense?

    I bet that MIN would part with Randolph, Milicic and the #2 for Bargnani and some TPE, straight up.

    Then what?
    It's about money

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    I will be shocked if there isn't a trade in the top four. And the Raptors won't take Kemba, it's Knight all the way for them.
    Except for the fact that Utah is going to take him at pick #3.
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    Quote star_bury wrote: View Post
    nbadraft.net has Kanter going to the Cavs 1st overall. I'm confused.
    You're not the only one. If Cleveland takes Kanter #1, that 2nd pick suddenly becomes a lot more valuable. If the Raptors can move up and grab Irving at 2, that would be huge.

    I'm a big fan of Kanter, but I don't know whether I would take him over Irving.
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    Quote philwill wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is definitely enough, but do you want to completely cut ties with that offense?

    I bet that MIN would part with Randolph, Milicic and the #2 for Bargnani and some TPE, straight up.

    Then what?
    It's not the offense you want to cut ties with. It's the defense. I think if the T-WOlves want Bargnani and are willing to give up the #2 pick for him, you take anything else to make it work except Beasley.
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    I just can't see MIN as a trade partner for Bargnani for the #2. I still think Bargnani has value out there, but I'm not sure it's that high, and I'm not sure he's that much of an add for MIN. Plus, if you believe CLE would be mad to pass on Irving -- as I do -- then TO trading Bargnani for the #2 only makes sense if they hang onto the #5 as well. Otherwise, it's pretty much a trade of Bargnani for Williams, and forces a subsequent trade of one of Williams, Amir, or Davis. Which is rife with risk for the GM, since you're pretty much guessing at the upside of all 3.

    TO is set at PF for the next 5 years with Johnson and Davis. Bringing in another 4 is not what they need, "asset collection" aside. The only reason for TO to move up in this draft is to get get Irving, and possibly Knight if they really think he's a franchise PG. Otherwise, keep the #5 and try to trade for another 5-15 pick instead.
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