then i'm back baby!
Glad to see you come back in this hypothetical situation. It was a shame to hear that you were going to hypothetically hang'em up.
Has anyone mentioned Vesely's vertical in here?
"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Do I know for sure? No, but having salivated over hours of Il Mago's pre-NBA highlight reels I can tell you I'm not as easily impressed as I used to be. It's a guess as much as your guess of how great Enes Kanter will be. But here's what we know:
- he's not an especially accomplished outside shooter
- his ball handling leaves much to be desired
- he's not even an accomplished rebounder, at 6'11"
- he shot less than 50% from the FT line
This all leads me to believe he won't be very good, and if he's the best this draft class has to offer then as I said, this will be the worst draft class the NBA has ever seen.
Last edited by ebrian; Fri Jun 17th, 2011 at 02:06 PM.
Can we all agree Chad Ford is D***
Ha.. I don't think Chad Ford is useless.. I just think he's making some real educated guesses as to what he thinks this team will do. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Colangelo likes and ends up drafts Vesely. Why wouldn't he?
- he loves Europeans
- he loves players who seemingly can play multiple positions
- he believes that the European leagues/competition are an acceptable and reliable tool with which to evaluate talent
- he's a !@#%ing moron
Yup, all signs point to a high possibility of drafting Vesely.
I feel I've actually got a better feel for Kanter's worth because I don't have as many question marks over his game. I'm secure in the knowledge that he can play center, that he can be, at least, a capable scorer and should be a pretty good rebounder.
Most of the questions I have about players in this draft revolve around either their true position or important aspects of their position. Can Derrick Willliams defend the 3? Can Vesley? Can Valanciunas stay out of foul trouble and how good are his hands? Is Knight a PG? Can Walker find his niche when he's not the best player on the team? Can Leonard shoot the ball at all?
If the answer to any of these questions is no, then those are fatal flaws which could end up really hurting their career. The thing is that they are simply questions. I don't know the answer, but because I don't I'd be hesitant to take any one of them over Kanter, who I think has a floor of a 10 year NBA player, which is not bad. It's not to say I am predicting any lack of success from any of the other players, and wouldn't be shocked if they all they all turned out to be decent players.
No mention of Toronto, thankfully.Vesely Will Work Out for Teams
Jan Vesely will work out for the Washington Wizards, Utah Jazz and Cleveland Cavaliers on Sunday and he expects to meet with the Pistons as well, reports Vince Ellis of The Detroit Free Press.
As Ellis mentioned, Vesely wasn't supposed to work out for anyone before the draft, but both he and Bismack Biyombo have changed their positions and are now willing play in front of coaches and scouts.
Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?...#ixzz1PZgS9UBQ
Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
The worst NBA draft in my recent memory was 2000. 11 years later, I count 12-13 players still in the NBA, and 7 still playing more than 15 minutes per game. None will make the hall of fame, and correct me if I'm wrong but DeShawn Stevenson taken 23rd overall is the first one to win championship and play a significant role in it?
Another bad draft year was 2006, which also have only 5 players who have averaged 30 or more mpg. AT least that year had a few All-Stars, though. And the best player from that draft is probably Rondo, who was drafted 21st.
This draft lacks star power and it lacks depth. I think there might be a few good players, but I'd be surprised if more than a handful of players become rotation players.
With Chad Frd reporting that the Raps are high on Jan Vesely, I got a bit scared. But after looking at some tape, he is not a typically "Euro" at all. He is lanky but is not afraid to get dirty. He is tall athletic and a beast around the rim. He is looking to posterize you every single time he gets the ball. I would not be surprised if the Raps choose him and I wouldn't be mad at them either.
I don't disagree that he's not a typical European; I could also see him being a solid NBAer. I'm worried that he doesn't address any of the biggest Raptors deficiencies at SF: rebounding, wing defense, and 3-point shooting. I just don't see him really adding to the Raptors team in any real way. Given that there will be wing players available at 5 who address at least two out of three of these issues (Leonard), I would be disappointed if we end up with Vesely.
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