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    Quote WJF wrote: View Post
    Jay has nothing to do with Wright's future as a Raptor or NBA player. The kid was given different opportunities throughout his short career, he has started 40 games in the NBA. While he has shown decent 1 on 1 defense and an ability to pass the ball, he has not shown the ability to make an open shot or even knock down free throws at a decent clip for a perimeter player. While I think he has a good feel for the game I think his basketball IQ is low, and that, not Jay, is what is keeping him from being successful.
    No, I'd argue he has a high basketball IQ. He can still be our Shawn Marion, if he can improve his 3-point shooting a smudge. Both Marion and JuJu score most of their points 10-ft and in.
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    That's not good gauge for a guy who got most of his points through putting in junk around the rim. I don't want either of those guys getting many looks.
    Not saying he is a go to guy but just pointing out he plays better D and shots better than JJ, how he gets his baskets doesn't matter. He must have been doing something right to shot above 50%

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    The games I watched last season it looked obvious to me the JJ was the better player. Stats don't win games is all I can say.

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    ...and how much was he getting paid? Is he or is he not a professional? Do you think a 22 win team has the luxury of having role players dictate their playing time. In my view this was inexcusable, no matter who the coach is. Casey will not always be popular with his players... no coach is. Allowing this guy to return is setting the team up for a repeat of the Detroit situation. For the reasons listed above about his short comings it is time to move on..
    who cares how much he is getting paid? How does that influence anything? How much was Jay getting paid? Shouldn't he be professional to? Treat each player with same respect? accountability? Would you sit there with your thumb up your ass at your job if your boss did something similar to you? Would you just say "yes sir. You pay me so you can treat me with as little respect as you want! I don't care that I worked harder than those girls with big tits. I don't care that I can do more to help this business than them. I don't want the promotion I just want a pay cheque. I don't care about my self esteem and pride." Being 'professional' doesn't mean you just do as you are told all the time... thats called being a pussy.

    Does a 22 win team have the luxury of playing guys who aren't helping them win? and not playing guys who may have just much ability/opportunity to help them win?

    I agree it was inexcusable... inexcusable to not to put Wright in earlier. Inexcusable to leave the players on the floor who were not trying, not putting in an effort and not benifiting the team. Inexcusable to ask a guy who the coach overlooked all game for NO REASON to go out in a meaningless game lost due to EVERYONE else.

    This isn't Solomon Alabi we are talking about. This is a guy who proved he deserved to be out there every day but didn't because the girls with tits were always given priority.

    I wish more players would have done what Wright did. I would have loved if all those guys on the bench sat there and refused to go in... send a message that what had been happening for the last 2-3 years was utter bullshit.

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    Blaming Triano for Wright's lack of playing time is a little ridiculous. People complain about Triano not holding players accountable, but from what I gather Wright is not a hard worker, which is why New Orleans gave up on him so quickly, and, I'm guessing, why Triano stopped playing him.

    Wright's offense, outside of passing the ball, was just plain bad and has shown no improvement over the course of his NBA career. That tells me a lot.
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    The minute Wright decided not to back into a game in Golden State, I believe he sealed his fate with this team.

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    I don't see condemning the man for one bad error in judgement. However, he failed to produce, even with this weak Raptors team! I like his hustle, but must respectfully say he was a liability on the floor. At the end of the day, talent must outweigh character (sad...but true!)

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    Quote Bendit wrote: View Post
    Deshawn Stevenson might be a good replacement. Yeah he has a drinking problem but he can ball. Casey might be an influence as well. I believe he is a f/a.
    but he was lights out in the finals. Rainin all over miami

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    That's not good gauge for a guy who got most of his points through putting in junk around the rim. I don't want either of those guys getting many looks.
    JJ has a decent jumper but it still has ways to go. If he can fix that his offense will be enough and i agree i don't want him getting too many touches. JJ i believe is a bigger and better version of JW with more athletisism, height, strength, hops, better jumper, defender and shot blocker.

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    The comparisons to Marion need to stop that's ridiculous. Marion was a bonifide all-star and stuffed the box score in every category while doing all other intangibles that don't show up as well. Comparing a guy who can't get minutes on a 22 win team is not fair or warranted what so ever.

    As for the comparison to JJ I'll take JJ 10 out of 10 times. As good if not better man to man defense, much better rebounder, way better shot blocker and help defender, finishes at the rim better, similar shooters and passers. Not sure what category I can put Wright ahead of JJ in at this point.

    If we're looking for another wing draft Leonard or sign a professional, hard working, blue collar vet. Wight or "JuJu" as some call him should be shown the door!

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    He is not worth 4 million dollars, it's as simple as that. We can sign someone better for less.

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    They don't need to give him $4M to sign him. Just wanted to make that clear.

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    Yeah, sure, bring him back. Great basketball IQ. Excellent offensive player around the net. Great team player. Give him the 4 million because money should have nothing to do with it. Just misunderstood and abused by the system. I had it all wrong. Julian Wright... Victim.
    Last edited by meductic; Tue Jun 21st, 2011 at 05:05 PM.

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    JuJu is a Baller. Its difficult to evaluate players under a horrible coach, and Jay is one of the worst ever. But Ju. did all the small things right. played good D. smart passes. out hussled most starters. showed a real ball awareness. if we let him go we will kick ourselves later.

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    We really won't. Players like him are not assets because they are easy to replace. Athletic wings with weak shots are a dime a dozen in the NBA. 4 million is too much to pay: 4 million in cap space is more valuable than Julian Wright.

    And yes, in theory, we can sign him for less than 4 million, but that would (unless I am mistaken) be after we declined to make him the qualifying offer, which would make him an unrestricted free agent. And honestly, if we are looking at free agents, we don't need a weak-shooting 3. If we're signing a free agent 3, he needs 3-point range, end of story.
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    Juju ain't it. It was nice to see you. I have one less guy to worry about fumbling as a turnover machine. Bye.
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    I am sold. this is what we have to do:
    1) Get the raps to re up JW and then use him for trade bait ( Chandler? Kobe? Lebron\ DWade? Dwight? Dirk? Dirk?)
    2) Contact the Human Rights Commission for a clear case of abusing an employee. JW has rights.
    3) Figure out how to get YouTube to make that dunk attempt clip go away
    I am all in. Julian Wright, Victim. Lets do this...
    Last edited by meductic; Wed Jun 22nd, 2011 at 02:30 AM.

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    Quote Zigus wrote: View Post
    JuJu is a Baller. Its difficult to evaluate players under a horrible coach, and Jay is one of the worst ever. But Ju. did all the small things right. played good D. smart passes. out hussled most starters. showed a real ball awareness. if we let him go we will kick ourselves later.
    You haven't watched a lot of coaches if you think Triano was one of the worst ever. The record he had, with the roster he had, was pretty much what most coaches would have gotten.

    The big problem with Wright is that he hasn't improved at all in his 4 seasons. That tells me he might have a problem with his work ethic, especially since it's pretty apparent what he needs to work on. This is a case when just watching him in a game doesn't tell you the whole story. He seems like he hustles, but what does he do behind the scenes?
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    No, I'd argue he has a high basketball IQ. He can still be our Shawn Marion, if he can improve his 3-point shooting a smudge. Both Marion and JuJu score most of their points 10-ft and in.
    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Forget Marion, he might not even be able to be our DeShawn Stevenson. While I do agree Wright did a decent job for the team, we've got to stop blowing players out of proportion. You're not going to see other teams eying Wright, because most teams have guys like him, if not better. It should tell you something that the Hornets gave up their lottery project for Belinelli, and I don't think they regretted that trade one bit.

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    who cares how much he is getting paid? How does that influence anything?
    It doesn't matter what he's getting paid in the NBA, whether a lottery rookie scale salary or a minimum contract. What matters is he was being paid at all. You get paid, you do your job. If you don't want to do your job, don't ask to get paid.

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    Being 'professional' doesn't mean you just do as you are told all the time... thats called being a pussy.
    Sure, you don't have to do as you are told all the time... that's called being unemployed.

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    This isn't Solomon Alabi we are talking about. This is a guy who proved he deserved to be out there every day
    Wow, such a proven player! Wait, what exactly has he proven? That 4 years after being picked 9th overall, he still hasn't improved his overall game? That he still hasn't managed to stay on the floor for at least 15 minutes on average per game? I value defense a lot, but it's no different when a player relies on his one strength, whether offense or defense, and doesn't work on the other. His previous team gave up on him, and likely the Raptors will as well. If anything, he has only proven to be a lottery bust.

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    I wish more players would have done what Wright did. I would have loved if all those guys on the bench sat there and refused to go in... send a message that what had been happening for the last 2-3 years was utter bullshit.
    Because all those guys on the bench are completely blameless? Weems sending a message about the last 2 years would be hilarious! Ajinca too? Wright is too good to go in during a blowout, but apparently Barbosa isn't? Barbosa was such a "pussy" for going back out there and doing his job!

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    Julian Wright is a low level NBA player. Period. God bless the guy, but we shouldn't waste anymore time talking about him. He sealed his fate last year with his antics. It was like a homeless man turning down a 20 dollar bill, "I only take loonies dawg". I mean, who knew he had a nickname? JuJu?? I respect the fact that he tries hard, defends his position, bla bla bla...but thats most likely because he knows the D League's a comin.

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