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Thread: Chad Ford Mock Draft 6.0: Raptors STILL selecting Jan Vesely

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    Default Chad Ford Mock Draft 6.0: Raptors STILL selecting Jan Vesely

    Analysis: Bryan Colangelo saw both Vesely and Bismack Biyombo this weekend in New York. Biyombo is a much bigger leap of faith at No. 5 than Vesely is. Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard are in the mix as well. But Vesley has been the favorite for a while, and I think he still is.
    Top 10:
    CLE - Irving
    MIN- DWilliams
    UTAH - Knight
    CLE - Kanter
    TOR - Vesely
    WAS - Leonard
    SAC - Walker
    DET- Biyombo
    CHA - MMorris
    MIL -KThompson

    If the Raps know that they like Biyombo, but don't want to take him at 5, why not trade down with Sacramento at 7 - who really likes Walker, and pick up an asset in the process like Casspi?

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    Did Valanciunas kill someone? He went from 4 to out of the top ten.
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    Did Valanciunas kill someone? He went from 4 to out of the top ten.
    It's cause he's playing another year in Europe.
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    It's cause he's playing another year in Europe.
    Yup. He's made it known that he wants to play another year in Europe and that dropped his stock significantly. A lot of people pegged him to go 4 to Cleveland. Now a lot of people are saying he'll drop all the way to #14 to Houston.

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    ok, i'm going to put a stone cold guarantee that if kemba is available at 5. the raps are picking him.
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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    ok, i'm going to put a stone cold guarantee that if kemba is available at 5. the raps are picking him.
    It will be DUMB not to pick him

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    ok, i'm going to put a stone cold guarantee that if kemba is available at 5. the raps are picking him.
    Unless Knight is on the board I wholeheartedly agree with you.

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    Since there's a chance there won't even be a next season, who cares if Valanciunas is going to miss a season. It's not as if he doesn't want to come. The only reason he won't come next season is because his current team wouldn't let him. I'd rather see the Raptors take Valanciunas than Vesley, Walker or Knight.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Since there's a chance there won't even be a next season, who cares if Valanciunas is going to miss a season. It's not as if he doesn't want to come. The only reason he won't come next season is because his current team wouldn't let him. I'd rather see the Raptors take Valanciunas than Vesley, Walker or Knight.
    The big man outside Kanter is Jonas. It is so dumb what most teams will do when someone is honest. The lockout is imminent. Here's a player that was upfront, and now his stock drops? Walker has intrigued me of late but he is another Bayless clone. If we draft Kemba, he's going to have to take the reins away from Bayless to prove his worth as a 5th pick. Valanciunas on the other hand is a legit 7 footer with a mean streak. He can play and contribute right away once the labout dust settles.


    Jonas Valanciunas is close to a buyout with Lietuvos Rytas, according to sources.

    But the buyout would not allow Valanciunas to come to the NBA for the 11-12 season, according to the report.

    The Cavaliers are high on Valanciunas with the fourth overall selection, but would likely not select him if he wouldn't arrive until the 12-13 season.
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    The big man outside Kanter is Jonas. It is so dumb what most teams will do when someone is honest. The lockout is imminent. Here's a player that was upfront, and now his stock drops? Walker has intrigued me of late but he is another Bayless clone. If we draft Kemba, he's going to have to take the reins away from Bayless to prove his worth as a 5th pick. Valanciunas on the other hand is a legit 7 footer with a mean streak. He can play and contribute right away once the labout dust settles.


    Jonas Valanciunas is close to a buyout with Lietuvos Rytas, according to sources.

    But the buyout would not allow Valanciunas to come to the NBA for the 11-12 season, according to the report.

    The Cavaliers are high on Valanciunas with the fourth overall selection, but would likely not select him if he wouldn't arrive until the 12-13 season.
    Considering Valanciunas is the guy the SPurs are apparently targeting, any questions I had about the guy (fouls, hands) have suddenly gone out the window. He might even have risen ahead of Kanter, in my mind. Yes, I put that much weight on who the Spurs want to draft.
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    this year's draft sucks. my attention has been towards the draft since the middle of january, hoping raps pick up someone like sullinger, irving, barnes, or even perry jones...instead we get vesely or walker (players who will be come decent rotation or maybe even starters but nothinig special). part of me wants leanoard but next year's draft is stacked with SF so maybe next year is a better year to fill the SF void. I'd take Kanter at 5 if he's available though

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    What the hell is up with Chad Ford's Vesely infatuation? I have a hard time believing he'd be ahead of Knight, Walker, Kanter or Valuncianas on the Raps board. I'd be surprised if he's even ahead of Kawhi

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    What the hell is up with Chad Ford's Vesely infatuation?
    I just had a chance to listen to Ryen Russillo's Jun 17 podcast featuring Chad Ford running through his mock draft. He was very wishy washy on the Raptor's number 5 pick. Yes, he still put Vesely there, but he spent a lot of time during the segment talking about how his sources have dried up and no one "internal" on any team is talking anymore.

    He also remarked about all the Raptors fans writing in that they'll die if BC pick another soft Euro, and was sure to emphasize that Vesely is not a soft Euro ("More Anthony Randolph then AB").

    All this makes me think his Vesely pick reflects who he thinks the Raps should take, rather than who he hears/knows they will pick.

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    Hope Vesley is a smokescreen for the Wizards who draft next and have been reputedly very interested in him. They of course dont have need for a pg and something could come out of making a switch with them.

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    Valanciunas is a good pick and the best center in the draft..we are not gonna contend for the next couple years so whats the rush..wow we bring in a guy that helps us win 5 more games and only hurts are chances of getting teague,kabango or harrison barnes.

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    I think vesely reminds chad ford his son...that he wishes that he has..

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    David Thorpe will have you believe that Alabi will be a good center in 2 years, and some people in these forums believe he's part of this team's young core. Jonas Valanciunas is 2-3 years out and plays the same position. I cannot see Jan Vesely going top 5.

    My money's still on Kemba Walker.

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    Vesley is a very intriguing prospect but it's too much of a gamble at 5 I can't see BC taking him on a 2 year deal. I think it's gotta be Kantar, Walker or Leonard who he chooses from as Knight is off the board. Chances are he goes with Leonard and gives Bayless a year to show what he can do with the starters role. Casey is talking defense and Leonard seems like the most NBA ready defender of the group that will be available.

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    Quote RAPresenting wrote: View Post
    Vesley is a very intriguing prospect but it's too much of a gamble at 5 I can't see BC taking him on a 2 year deal. I think it's gotta be Kantar, Walker or Leonard who he chooses from as Knight is off the board. Chances are he goes with Leonard and gives Bayless a year to show what he can do with the starters role. Casey is talking defense and Leonard seems like the most NBA ready defender of the group that will be available.
    i don't buy the 'too much of a gamble' bit...in a weak draft, where the talent level is fairly even once you're past the top two picks, can anyone really be considered a 'gamble?' sure, there are guys who are slated as late first rounders that you wouldn't pick in the lottery simply because there are clear-cut better options available...but realistically, the guys grouped 3-12 are pretty close in ability. there's talk of kemba slipping past 10...and also going 3rd. how often does that happen? and it's the same with half a dozen guys in the lottery, the range is all over the place. i've always felt that you pick the best player for your particular situation, regardless of where he's ranked. if you like leonard, but feel he's not 'worthy' of the 5th (but is, somehow, worthy of the 7th, for example), then just take him (unless someone's giving you something of value to swap picks, and you KNOW he'll still be available with that later pick).

    FWIW - i do like leonard, but fear he may be one of the biggest beneficiaries of some of the top prospects dropping out. he's got all the skills (even offensively, i don't think he's nearly as unpolished as others), but what bothers me is that he never really jumped out while at SDSt as 'the guy.' in his interviews, he seems very humble, and i know he's got a rep as a hard-nosed, get-after-it player...i just didn't see much of that in college. maybe it's just his style...not flashy, team-oriented, does the dirty stuff, etc. might be a perfect complementary piece ('cause you know you aren't getting a franchise-changer with the 5th pick in this draft).
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    Quote yertu damkule wrote: View Post
    i don't buy the 'too much of a gamble' bit...in a weak draft, where the talent level is fairly even once you're past the top two picks, can anyone really be considered a 'gamble?' sure, there are guys who are slated as late first rounders that you wouldn't pick in the lottery simply because there are clear-cut better options available...but realistically, the guys grouped 3-12 are pretty close in ability. there's talk of kemba slipping past 10...and also going 3rd. how often does that happen? and it's the same with half a dozen guys in the lottery, the range is all over the place. i've always felt that you pick the best player for your particular situation, regardless of where he's ranked. if you like leonard, but feel he's not 'worthy' of the 5th (but is, somehow, worthy of the 7th, for example), then just take him (unless someone's giving you something of value to swap picks, and you KNOW he'll still be available with that later pick).

    Agreed the overall consensus after the top 2 drops off. I personally agree with that but also see another gap after 3 with Knight being a better prospect then the next group. With the lockout looming lots of potential lottery picks have moved up no doubt. I agree with your thought on if you like a player and feel he's best for your team to pick him. I just can't see BC taking that big risk based on his length of contract. Kemba, Kantar and Leonard look to be solid but unspectacular pro's while Vesley could be incredible or bust.

    FWIW - i do like leonard, but fear he may be one of the biggest beneficiaries of some of the top prospects dropping out. he's got all the skills (even offensively, i don't think he's nearly as unpolished as others), but what bothers me is that he never really jumped out while at SDSt as 'the guy.' in his interviews, he seems very humble, and i know he's got a rep as a hard-nosed, get-after-it player...i just didn't see much of that in college. maybe it's just his style...not flashy, team-oriented, does the dirty stuff, etc. might be a perfect complementary piece ('cause you know you aren't getting a franchise-changer with the 5th pick in this draft).
    Agreed 100%! If he's drafted for the defensive end, crashing the boards and running the break I prefer his attitude to a player who demands the ball/attention. Leave the scoring to Demar and Dre and lets get some guys to do the dirt work.

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