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    Default Casey in, draft in a couple days, lets talk FA's

    With Casey in its clear the kind of identity BC wants the raptors to have, and if the new coach is going to have any success hes going to need the soldiers. I'm 90% sure management is going to let all the FA's walk with maybe (hopefully) the exception of Dorsey.

    So here we go, a few off the top of my head:

    Mbah a Moute
    Arron Affalo
    CJ Miles
    DeAndre Jordon
    Shane Battier
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    With Casey in its clear the kind of identity BC wants the raptors to have, and if the new coach is going to have any success hes going to need the soldiers. I'm 90% sure management is going to let all the FA's walk with maybe (hopefully) the exception of Dorsey.

    So here we go, a few off the top of my head:

    Mbah a Moute
    Arron Affalo
    CJ Miles
    DeAndre Jordon
    Shane Battier
    It's going to be all up in the air until we know how the draft, and also draft day trades, go since that will definitely impact what positions we need to fill.

    With Afflalo offered the QO (making RFA) his public claim he wants to stay, and Denver's public statement that he is a part of their core, I would take him off the list. Wilson Chandler was offered as well, but I think he is more open to move, especially since Galinari (same position as Chandler) and Ty Lawson were the other 2 names mentioned in the core. (i.e. not Chandler).

    CJ Miles isn't FA yet, but since Utah has not picked his option up, it is likely. That said, I think the only reason they are waiting is whether to use him in a trade for salary purposes (exercise option and trade).

    I could put a whole list, but will wait until thursday night before I lock it down.

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    if we don't draft Kanter or another big man to play center, i want Tyson Chandler
    is it wishful thinking to hope we sign DeAndre Jordan? Marc Gasol only averages about 7 rebounds a game and in the games that i have seen him, he looks more of a finesse type of player (like bargs).

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    how about jeff green

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    Quote zulfi wrote: View Post
    if we don't draft Kanter or another big man to play center, i want Tyson Chandler
    is it wishful thinking to hope we sign DeAndre Jordan? Marc Gasol only averages about 7 rebounds a game and in the games that i have seen him, he looks more of a finesse type of player (like bargs).

    Mbah a Moute...best name in basketball?
    You obviously haven't seen many of Gasol's games because he is far from finesse my friend. And his relatively low numbers on the boards is probably due more to the fact that Z-Bo was just beastly this past year. In Toronto he would be battling for boards all by his lonesome. I would think those numbers would spike to 10.5-11rbs a game. I doubt we'll get him though so I will refrain from getting to excited.
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    The Raptors might not have a lot of money to spend and I don't think it's realistic to have RFAs on the list.

    We should all be cheering for Barbosa to opt out.

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    I think this summer is the wrong time to think about free agents. The Raptors are too far away from competing to spending a lot of money on someone, and considering their record and their lack of talent, the Raptors are going to have to vastly overpay someone to come. Next summer, when there will hopefully be more talent on the roster, more of a set foundation and more of an indication that the team is headed in the right direction, that's the time to look at grabbing a player that fills a need. Right now, there are too many needs and not enough of a reason for a free agent to want to sign.

    Plus they'll have more money next summer.
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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    The Raptors might not have a lot of money to spend and I don't think it's realistic to have RFAs on the list.

    We should all be cheering for Barbosa to opt out.
    If the new CBA rumours are true and an NHL-like system is brought in with a $62M cap, the Raps will have $18M to spend next year.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I think this summer is the wrong time to think about free agents. The Raptors are too far away from competing to spending a lot of money on someone, and considering their record and their lack of talent, the Raptors are going to have to vastly overpay someone to come. Next summer, when there will hopefully be more talent on the roster, more of a set foundation and more of an indication that the team is headed in the right direction, that's the time to look at grabbing a player that fills a need. Right now, there are too many needs and not enough of a reason for a free agent to want to sign.

    Plus they'll have more money next summer.
    I'd tend to agree. Draft the another young player to build with going forward, get another high draft pick next year, and open the cash register to find pieces to compliment what the Raps have at that time.

    The rumoured $62M cap with an NHL-style CBA will have the Raptors sitting very pretty.

    It is time to get rid of Calderon and Bargnani though.

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    I disagree. The only substantial difference in our payroll between this year and next is Barbosa, and for all we know he might opt out. And we really have no idea what to expect in terms of the new collective agreement. I'm not saying we should go all out to sign anyone, but there are some good centres on the market this year and that is one of our biggest needs. If we can sign a good starting centre who is in his late twenties, that wouod be a good move. I do not think the Raptors will be at the bottom of the standings next year: I think internal improvement from DeMar, Bayless, Davis, Johnson, and Bargnani will mean we will be drafting much more near the middle. If that is the case, I think we might as well try and add a good long term piece and start contending for a playoff spot.

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    Also, while I am all in favor of making whatever move needs to be made to improve the Raptors and I don't see any of our players as untouchable, the idea that we need to move Calderon or Bargnani is unjustified. They both fill a useful role and getting players who fit what we are doing better is not necessarily going to be easy, or even possible.

    I mean, if you dislike them, fine, but thankfully the Raptors aren't going to be basing their personnel moves on the prejudices of the fan base.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If the new CBA rumours are true and an NHL-like system is brought in with a $62M cap, the Raps will have $18M to spend next year.
    That's just an offer which the players said they were never going to accept. There is no reason to assume that's what the landscape is going to be. All the same, if it does happen, then awesome.

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    That's just an offer which the players said they were never going to accept. There is no reason to assume that's what the landscape is going to be. All the same, if it does happen, then awesome.
    The owners have played hardball all along. They are now starting to relent and actually negotiate. The players have everything to lose, the owners just a little. I do not doubt for a moment if push comes to shove the owners will cancel the season. One year gone and a worse offer than is on the table - I bet the NHLPA remembers how that went and Bettman is no Stern.

    I agree it would be awesome and am glad to hear the league/owners are offering a salary cap in the $60M range versus $45.

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    Probably not a good summer for free agents but for trading game changing players, I say yes.

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    Samuel Dalembert WOULD Be A Perfect Fit...
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    Samuel Dalembert What do you guys think?

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    If we had a substantial amount of money I would try to go after Marc Gasol, but Memphis isn't going to let him go after the post-season they had. Same goes for DeAndre Jordan, whom I'd love to have, but LA will match any offer he sees.

    Chandler won't leave Dallas, and Nene will not want to come and play in Toronto even if we could afford him. If we aren't going after a young legitimate Center (Gasol, Jordan) I wouldn't spend big money at any other position when we can draft a young piece at #5 (either Knight, Walker or Kanter in my opinion) and rely on our useful assets to trade for a big (i.e. preferably Calderon as part of a package as he's our most tradeable asset as a veteran PG on a near expiring deal).

    In free agency I would target one of Shane Battier, Tayshawn Prince or Grant Hill. We need stronger perimeter defense, an ability to stretch the floor with 3 point shooting, along with some veteran leadership to show the young guys what it takes to succeed in this league. You could probably get one of those guys for a portion of the mid level exception and i'd be comfortable offering a 3 yr $12-15 million dollar deal to any of them. They'd be productive for a couple years and by the time they are on their last legs the younger pieces we have should be improved enough to push them to the bench anyways. My guess is Memphis won't have room for Battier with Gay coming back from injury and Allen, Mayo, and Young also in the mix so he would be the most likely guy to pursue.

    Not to mention the draft next year is LOADED with small forwards, so I'd feel way better about pursuing a veteran to fill that hole rather than drafting Leonard at #5 when you're likely to find yourself in the lottery again, but this time in a much stronger draft.l BTW I can't figure out why some people think vesely or Leonard would be that much of an upgrade over James Johnson; Johnson averaged over 1 block, 1 steal, about 5 boards and showed some nice passing ability at times. Neither vesely or Leonard can shoot, so I'd rather try to develop JJ for another year than bring in a rookie at the same position who has similar faults.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote D-Money wrote: View Post
    Samuel Dalembert WOULD Be A Perfect Fit...
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    Samuel Dalembert What do you guys think?
    Battier is getting up there to be of any long term use to this team, and while I was not in support of Dalembert previously, I think Casey would kick his ass if he acted up.

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    I think Dalembert from a positional perspective is a good fit, as he would be a defensive anchor and provide the 10+ boards, 2 blocks a game if he got starters minutes.

    My concerns are that:

    A) He's 30, and in order to entice him to come to a 20 win team you'd have to offer him at least 5 years and I don't think he'll be nearly mobile and athletic enough at 33 nevermind 35 to justify the contract
    B) Everything I've ever heard about Dalembert is he can be a serious drauma queen at best, and a cancer at worst. He has an inflated sense of what his role should be on a team. If he was OK with being Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, Dikembe Mutumbo, etc and simply focusing on rebounding and help defense than he'd be fine, but he loses focus and gets lazy when he doesn't get his way
    C) Is he going to play hard on a rebuilding team after he inks a long term deal that pays him between $8-10 million a season?
    D) If we are unwilling/unable to offer him big time dollars, he'd surely take the mid-level exception from a contender in need of size (i.e. Miami, NY, etc)

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    i would love the raps to add afflalo, his perimeter defense is much needed on our team

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