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    Quote Rapzilla wrote: View Post
    Okay, okay.... so what about nicknames?! 'V for Vendetta'? 'Sweet Valley High'?
    Oh, that's easy. Jonas "The Caretaker" Valanciunas. He'll wipe the glass and clean-up the mess that Bargnani often leaves on defence.

    PS> Perhaps by the time he gets in this league, the big pasta would be elsewhere. Can you imagine him and Easy E? I wouldn't want to venture in that paint!!!
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    i know NOTHING about jonas............. and yet i'm extremely excited about the raps drafting him.

    assuming the raps don't move bargs... it's nice to know they got a "you better shape up, because we have the rights to your replacement" clause on his season.

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    Quote Quixotic wrote: View Post
    Fair enough.

    And at this point, even though I've never been a Bargnani-Hater, I would much rather see the franchise move forward with Davis and Valanciunas.
    If they are able to negotiate a buyout for JV, which i think is as possible as them getting Kobe Bryant in a trade, then it might be fun to watch a Bargnani-Valaciunas tandem next season.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    i know NOTHING about jonas............. and yet i'm extremely excited about the raps drafting him.

    assuming the raps don't move bargs... it's nice to know they got a "you better shape up, because we have the rights to your replacement" clause on his season.
    Good point.

    Unfortunately if he is not traded and he doesn't shape up, he will be our Beasley (i.e. #2 2008 for 2011 second round draft pick)

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    Nickname thought- Chewbacca (apparently, the ciu is pronounced chew, that and he's tall and will hopefully rip your arms out if he loses)
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Good point.

    Unfortunately if he is not traded and he doesn't shape up, he will be our Beasley (i.e. #2 2008 for 2011 second round draft pick)
    i know nothing about contracts, and salaries, and whatnot.... but im totally fine with the highest paid player on the team coming off the bench. those millions aren't coming out of my pocket.. or if they are, its $1 here and there on tickets and concessions... so F$%# it. let bargs be our jamal crawford.

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    am i the only one who thinks Jonas looks like Jason Biggs from American Pie?

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    I have said everything I want to say about Jonas on the Front Page (Posting as "JW").


    The one thing I want to get across is that even if JV does not work out from the start, guys of his size/skill/wingspan are very valuable assets in this league.

    Do you guys know what happens to guards that don't work out? They get waived. The league is awash with guards that just could not make it to the next level. There is not as much patience shown to them that big men receive. Kwame was still traded for Gasol, Darko still commended a lot of interest even though he was a known headcase and a bust.

    I think this is a HIGH Value pick. If he does not mesh defensively with our team, his size/skill/iq is more than enough to get a team or two drooling. You can't teach size. Due to his size and youth, this guy will have a serious window of VALUE for the next 5 years, mark my words.
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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    i know nothing about contracts, and salaries, and whatnot.... but im totally fine with the highest paid player on the team coming off the bench. those millions aren't coming out of my pocket.. or if they are, its $1 here and there on tickets and concessions... so F$%# it. let bargs be our jamal crawford.
    Fair enough but I'd like another asset or two besides cap space (which is used for more than free agents).

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Fair enough but I'd like another asset or two besides cap space (which is used for more than free agents).
    Ya... there's always stuff we'd like... i'd like the ACC to serve Kronenbourg 1664 instead of that swill they pass of as draught beer..

    but the post-season is far from done. your dream still has a chance... mine doesnt

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    Ya... there's always stuff we'd like... i'd like the ACC to serve Kronenbourg 1664 instead of that swill they pass of as draught beer..

    but the post-season is far from done. your dream still has a chance... mine doesnt
    Eloquently put.

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    How obscure would it be to play with the idea of moving Bargs to the 3? I know he's 7 feet tall and would be bigger than the average players who play at 6'9. However, if we play with the idea of it for next year I think we can gain something out of it. Say Jonas plays in January as BC was saying. Placing Bargs to the 3 does not hurt Ed/Amir in their positions. We accept that no one can teach him how to play defence and just let him shoot, just shoot.

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    If you guys get some extra time today, check out the Cavs board. They are absolutely ripping on the Tristan Thompson pick, especially over Valanciunas.

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    Quote MyMomLovesMe wrote: View Post
    I have said everything I want to say about Jonas on the Front Page (Posting as "JW").


    The one thing I want to get across is that even if JV does not work out from the start, guys of his size/skill/wingspan are very valuable assets in this league.

    Do you guys know what happens to guards that don't work out? They get waived. The league is awash with guards that just could not make it to the next level. There is not as much patience shown to them that big men receive. Kwame was still traded for Gasol, Darko still commended a lot of interest even though he was a known headcase and a bust.

    I think this is a HIGH Value pick. If he does not mesh defensively with our team, his size/skill/iq is more than enough to get a team or two drooling. You can't teach size. Due to his size and youth, this guy will have a serious window of VALUE for the next 5 years, mark my words.
    Bingo! Even serviceable guards that aren't top grade get traded around for next to nothing, while decent bigs with some potential continue to command high value. Nobody evaluated Valanciunas saw his upside based on his outside shooting, but rather on his size/length, mobility, footwork, touch and tenacity. I haven't seen any evaluation suggesting that he has bust potential, even though there are plenty of folks who are wary because of previous busts like Darko. If this guy stays healthy he will be good, and maybe great. At his size, you just can't pass that sort of potential for a guard unless they are can't miss stars. I would have been okay with Knight, but far prefer JV for the Raptors. Oh, and I don't think that Knight will have much impact for a couple of years anyway. He is still very raw and will take a few years to reach his potential as a PG.

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    Quote Bouncepass wrote: View Post
    Bingo! Even serviceable guards that aren't top grade get traded around for next to nothing, while decent bigs with some potential continue to command high value. Nobody evaluated Valanciunas saw his upside based on his outside shooting, but rather on his size/length, mobility, footwork, touch and tenacity. I haven't seen any evaluation suggesting that he has bust potential, even though there are plenty of folks who are wary because of previous busts like Darko. If this guy stays healthy he will be good, and maybe great. At his size, you just can't pass that sort of potential for a guard unless they are can't miss stars. I would have been okay with Knight, but far prefer JV for the Raptors. Oh, and I don't think that Knight will have much impact for a couple of years anyway. He is still very raw and will take a few years to reach his potential as a PG.
    +1. Look at Biedrins in Golden State (who happens to be a projected worst case for JV). They're mentioning Ellis more than Biedrins in trade rumours!!!!
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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    If you guys get some extra time today, check out the Cavs board. They are absolutely ripping on the Tristan Thompson pick, especially over Valanciunas.
    From John Krolik - Cavs: The Blog


    The Cavaliers honestly believe that Tristan Thompson is a better prospect than Jonas Valanciunas.

    Maybe this is what Chris Grant and Co. believe, and they have more scouting information than I do, but I would disagree with that assessment. Thompson can’t play center, can’t shoot or score in the post, doesn’t pass, draws a lot of fouls, is a serious shot-blocker, and is a great rebounder.

    The Cavs certainly needed a shot in the arm when it came to defense and rebounding, but I have no earthly idea how a Varejao (who is Cleveland’s best player)/Thompson frontcourt is supposed to work. Andy can play the center position, but he’s better as a four, and needs someone who can either stretch the floor, post-up and give him opportunities to cut, or make good cuts himself and let Andy operate from the high post. Thompson can do none of those things.

    The Cavs came into this draft with one really good player under the age of 30, and that player is a great defense-and-rebounding power forward. With a top-5 pick, they took a defense-and-rebounding power forward instead of a potential franchise center who is a true seven-footer, had a higher overall FG% than Thompson did on shots at the rim, and makes 85-90% of his free throws instead of 48% of them. I’m having a hard time selling myself on this pick.

    The Cavs got the best player in the draft and got a defensive upgrade that they desperately needed, but I can’t help but feel like they royally screwed up the Valanciunas situation and missed a great chance to put two core pieces in place for the future. However, we won’t know any of this until we actually see Thompson on the floor next season, assuming there is one, and Valanciunas on the floor in 2012-13, assuming he comes over. For now, the team is better today than it was yesterday. The only problem is that it’s hard to shake the feeling they could have done a lot better in this draft.



    A-men.
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    ...just goes to show you, you can't make everyone happy. I hate the euro league with the best of them, but I am super content with this pick.

    (I wanted to walk away with a big man, and we got the 2nd BEST BIG MAN in the draft! In some circles, the big men with the most upside! @ #5 LOL, this was a good draft... there is nothing to cry about.... and I was one of the dudes that would of chopped BC's head off without a second thought. )
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    When is jonas gonna come to the nba? I think he has a buyout or something

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    Quote Mr.Grinch wrote: View Post
    When is jonas gonna come to the nba? I think he has a buyout or something
    TBA. BC is going to go over to see what he can do, but my money is on him waiting to see if there is a lockout, if yes then leaves him there for the year (reported buy-out was decent but for after next euro-season), if no lockout then he works hard on it.

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    I'm just glad that we didn't end up getting Vesely. That was the only name I did not want Stern to say when the Raptors were up.

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