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    If the goal was to get a jump on the Bobcats in the race for the No. 1 pick next season, the Raptors did wonderfully.

    Grade F
    Source: cbssports.com

    Bryan Colangelo loves to go international in the draft, so it should surprise nobody that Valanciunas is heading to Toronto – just maybe not right away, given his contract issues and the impending lockout. Valanciunas' complicated buyout situation will likely delay his debut, but when he does suit up for Toronto, he'll give the Raptors some much-needed size and rebounding. New coach Dwane Casey preaches defense, and Valanciunas shows the instincts and aptitude to develop into a solid starting center. He needs to get stronger and refine his post skills, but he fills a serious need for Toronto.
    Source: Foxsports.com

    President and GM Bryan Colangelo nails the half-court shot here, as Valanciunas became the apple of almost every lottery team's eye in recent days. He might not be available to join the Raptors next season, but he can man the middle for Toronto for a decade to come thereafter. He's a skilled and efficient scorer who can still fill out his 19-year-old frame.
    Source: SI.com

    Does Jonas Valanciunas project to be the best all around C in this draft and if not for his buyout would he have gone higher?

    If teams knew he was fully available, he would’ve been the No. 1 pick.
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    Sweet Zombie Based God, that CBC Sports link is an atrocious article.

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    Quote WhatWhat wrote: View Post
    Sweet Zombie Based God, that CBC Sports link is an atrocious article.
    That article is ****ing amazing. Greatest laugh I've had today.

    No. 7: Bobcats select: Bismack Biyombo, PF, Baloncesto Fuenlabrada Grade
    Analysis: Yes, it's true: A team that couldn't reach 100 points on its hottest night last season dealt its top scorer for a shot-blocking rookie big man. Boring.
    Grade: F

    So true. :P

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    Sweet Zombie Based God, that CBC Sports link is an atrocious article.
    Funny!

    I couldn't believe that CBS gave Detroit and Charlotte a "B" for drafting Knight and Walker 8th and 9th! I can't believe how far these guys fell, especially Knight, who could have easily gone 3rd.

    They were right on the money with the Spurs' grade of "A" though, drafting local boy Cory Joseph and sending George Hill to the Pacers to get Kawhi. How the hell did Kawhi drop so far (15th)?

    I haven't read much from the press about the Raps pick, but I think Toronto fans are forming a lynch mob. I never heard so much hate directed at BC before. I think it safe to assume that fans hate this pick. I like the pick though. Jonas will be solid.
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    Pfffttt..CBC. I bet if CBC was informed that the Raptors drafted Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, they'd be able to relate better and would have given the pick an A+ grade.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Pfffttt..CBC. I bet if CBC was informed that the Raptors drafted Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, they'd be able to relate better and would have given the pick an A+ grade.
    It was a CBS article not CBC.
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    Quote RaptorDan wrote: View Post
    It was a CBS article not CBC.
    My bad. I didnt bother to even click on the link. I thought that Apollo's link said CBCsports. My apologies.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    My bad. I didnt bother to even click on the link. I thought that Apollo's link said CBCsports. My apologies.
    It did. Typo guys.

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    I hope that guy didn't get paid to write that draft review, and I'm not saying this because he gave us an F. It really was atrocious.

    I stopped reading the Fox Sports' review when I saw, "Bryan Colangelo loves to go international in the draft." Bargnani and a stash away pick that pretty much has to be International = "loves to go international IN THE DRAFT"? People get paid to write this crap?
    Last edited by Quixotic; Fri Jun 24th, 2011 at 03:42 AM.

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    Quote Quixotic wrote: View Post
    I stopped reading the Fox Sports' review when I saw, "Bryan Colangelo loves to go international in the draft." Bargnani and a stash away pick that pretty much has to be International = "loves to go international IN THE DRAFT"? People get paid to write this crap?
    This shit angers me to no end.... especially because it is a commonly held belief in raptorland too, where hockey culture and Don Cherry-esque xenophobia still rears its ugly head. Say what you want about his team-building skills, but BC certainly has an eye for talent and an almost flawless draft history:

    Michael Finley
    Steve Nash
    Stephen Jackson
    Shawn Marion
    Amare Stoudemire
    Luol Deng
    Nate Robinson
    Marcin Gortat
    Andrea Bargnani
    Roy Hibbert
    DeMar DeRozan
    Ed Davis
    Last edited by TheR3dMenace; Fri Jun 24th, 2011 at 06:09 AM.

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    Quote TheR3dMenace wrote: View Post
    This shit angers me to no end.... especially because it is a commonly held belief in raptorland too, where hockey culture and Don Cherry-esque xenophobia still rears its ugly head.
    Thats quite the generalization is it not, amazingly not only towards basketball fans but hockey fans as well. Its battling a prejudice with one of your own.

    I have nothing against this pick and it may very well have been the best available at the time. But I completely understand were the anger comes from with fans. This team has been terrible (to differing degrees) for a number of years now and needs significant change and specifically culture change. The selection of Jonas does nothing to effect that.

    1) he is not known for being a top notch defender
    2) he is unlikely to be here next year
    3) doesn't have the size as of yet (and maybe ever) to bang with other big
    4) continues with BC's "Euro" philosophy

    thats a pretty distinctive continuation of the existing philosophy and cultre is it not? Don't blame Don Cherry or hockey fans for BC's failures.

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    Quote GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    The selection of Jonas does nothing to effect that.

    1) he is not known for being a top notch defender
    2) he is unlikely to be here next year
    3) doesn't have the size as of yet (and maybe ever) to bang with other big
    4) continues with BC's "Euro" philosophy

    thats a pretty distinctive continuation of the existing philosophy and cultre is it not? Don't blame Don Cherry or hockey fans for BC's failures.
    1. He may not be as hyped up as Biyombo on defense, but he is said to be a very good help defender, and just needs to add strength so he can play solid post defense as well.

    3. This and his propensity to foul are my main concerns. While it's great that he has a good frame for adding weight, we constantly see players not getting to where they need to be physically.

    4. This contradicts #1 quite a bit. There were only two players "known for being a top notch defender"; one was Singleton and the other Biyombo. So no top notch defender or no Euro, which is it? Not to mention, this idea that BC has a "Euro" philosophy is exactly what TheR3dMenace and I take issue with.

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    And hey, they weren't the Lakers drafting two complete unknowns (who they could have simply brought into camp and tested) while players like Hansbrough and Lighty were still there. It was funny to watch the panel stare blankly at the cameras toss some papers aside in frustration and ask "really? Come on guys."

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    Quote Quixotic wrote: View Post
    1. He may not be as hyped up as Biyombo on defense, but he is said to be a very good help defender, and just needs to add strength so he can play solid post defense as well.

    3. This and his propensity to foul are my main concerns. While it's great that he has a good frame for adding weight, we constantly see players not getting to where they need to be physically.

    4. This contradicts #1 quite a bit. There were only two players "known for being a top notch defender"; one was Singleton and the other Biyombo. So no top notch defender or no Euro, which is it? Not to mention, this idea that BC has a "Euro" philosophy is exactly what TheR3dMenace and I take issue with.
    I have no idea how #1 and #4 contradict each other as they are seperate thoughts. They are mutually exclusive. If I said top notch defenders can't be "Euro" than I could see it. Its irrelevant that Biyombo is considered the top defender and is "Euro"/international, as Biyombo is not JV.

    "that BC has a "Euro" philosophy is exactly what TheR3dMenace and I take issue with"

    and yet he (BC) does and has stated as such. This isn't so much about JV being European... that independantly would be irrelevant. But, it continues along the same philosophical lines BC has been using of taking European players. I guarantee that if JV turns out to be a hard working player and useful player who can compete at the NBA level, no one will have an issue with him. But right now he doesn't do anything to create that culture shift fans have been expecting.

    Its like having a kid who keeps getting bit by the family dogs... and for Christmas Dad buys his kid a new dog. It may be great gift and yet it could be the dumbest gift of all time. Most likely it was time to get a cat.

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    Quote GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    thats a pretty distinctive continuation of the existing philosophy and cultre is it not? Don't blame Don
    Cherry or hockey fans for BC's failures.
    Not to mention that the majority of those picks he listed were taken by Jerry Colangelo.

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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    Not to mention that the majority of those picks he listed were taken by Jerry Colangelo.
    I didn't really want to mention that, or that a few others were drafted on behalf of others

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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    Not to mention that the majority of those picks he listed were taken by Jerry Colangelo.
    BC was GM of the Suns from 1995-2006

    No need to make up lies just because you disagree with someone's point.
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    Quote TheR3dMenace wrote: View Post
    This shit angers me to no end.... especially because it is a commonly held belief in raptorland too, where hockey culture and Don Cherry-esque xenophobia still rears its ugly head.
    I feel you, man. In this particular case, I'm mostly surprised by how lazy some of these writers are. They hear something somewhere, see Bargnani in Toronto, treat it as fact, then fans read the drivel, see Bargnani in Toronto, and treat it as fact. I have yet to hear anyone say "R.C. Buford loves to go international in the draft, so it should surprise nobody that Udrih/Karaulov/Mahinmi/Splitter/de Colo/Richards is heading to San Antonio," and that's not including international players who were picked by the Spurs and traded (Barbosa, Markota, Printezis and Dragic), or those who played NCAA ball (Sato). Heck, from an American standpoint, you could even include Joseph as an international (after all, he isn't American). Eight drafts and how many international players did Buford draft?

    BTW, I take back what I said about FoxSports. The draft review was actually written by someone at NBADraft.net.

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    Quote TheR3dMenace wrote: View Post
    This shit angers me to no end.... especially because it is a commonly held belief in raptorland too, where hockey culture and Don Cherry-esque xenophobia still rears its ugly head. Say what you want about his team-building skills, but BC certainly has an eye for talent and an almost flawless draft history:

    Michael Finley
    Steve Nash
    Stephen Jackson
    Shawn Marion
    Amare Stoudemire
    Luol Deng
    Nate Robinson
    Marcin Gortat
    Andrea Bargnani
    Roy Hibbert
    DeMar DeRozan
    Ed Davis
    Roy Hibbert wasn't his pick but I agree.

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    Really like the Dino Nation Blog's analysis of the draft pick:

    Another thing that bothers me is the lack of respect for the overall knowledge of this fanbase. I heard the example used of how fans booed the pick of Damon Stoudamire and the crowd at Skydome chanting for Ed O'Bannon. The fan base is far more educated from those days and the amount of access they have to information and the ability to watch guys play in the NCAA. Back in the days of mighty mouse there were not many that got to see him play out at Arizona. But times have changed and this fan base is far more educated and have much stronger opinions with that knowledge behind them.

    While some praise Colangelo for his guts in making this pick. I am not one of them. Ultimately the Raptors can try and avoid the elephant in the room all they like but it is still there. For the Raptors ultimately to be successful they need to be able to make this an attractive destination for Americans to come here and after tonight maybe finally a Canadian or two. That is the problem this franchise has faced for 16 years. Colangelo I give credit for trying his Euro experiment the first time around. It was a good attempt to try and avoid the issue. But it ultimately failed and to head down that same path again is just not wise in my view. It would be nice to think that the Raptors could have a united nations type approach and be successful but the reality is as it has been proven over the past few years it doesn't work.

    I stress again that the Raptors are walking a very thin line with their fans and to totally ignore what they feel is wrong. The only way it is right is if you win. Colangelo kept mentioning patience but if he hasn't noticed patience has run out here. He has a shorter term contract to remind him of that fact. If you expect this fan base to have patience, while you ignore their displeasure that is a recipe for disaster. I think everyone can agree that attendance and overall interest in the Raptors has declined. This is not a pick that will do anything to change that in the short term. If you lose fans in a town where you are always fighting against the monster down the hall that is the Maple Leafs that is never a wise idea.

    Try marketing your draft pick that is not playing for your team coming off a certain labour stoppage and tell me how that works out for you. Now if you had a player that people wanted to see in a Kemba Walker or a Brandon Knight you are in a better spot. Ultimately I feel sorry for Jonas because it is not his fault. But he is walking into a hornet's nest and he has done nothing to deserve that. But Bryan Colangelo and Andrea Bargnani have. Along with a checkered past that Bryan Colangelo chooses to ignore dating back before he came here. But this fan base has endured it all and you need to understand that as well.
    Lot's more there worth reading:
    http://dinonationblog.blogspot.com/2...maybe-not.html

    I think this encapsulates fans' frustrations well. Even if you are a Junas fan I think it helps clarify what the other side feels.

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