2012 Draft Thursday, June 28th: Raptors select Terence Ross

[NoPropsneeded]

Myck kobongo should be ahead of teague for sure

[WhatWhat]

I'm not sold on Drummond yet, he has piss poor fundamentals. I'd take Anthony Davis over him at this point, even though he's a twig...but that's expected with the masssive growth spurt and all. It's a shame that he wouldn't go to college. Staying there for 2 years would likely have an very positive impact.

I want Quincy Miller the most, he has the potential to be an elite scorer. Barnes is a balance of everything. Gilchrist is defensive, but lawd imagine a frontcourt of Gilchrist/Davis/Val defensively.

I'd love to nab Kabongo with a 2nd pick too, somehow, as unlikely as that is.

[Mack North]

I don't see Austin Rivers anywhere... ?

[stretch]

I'm not sold on Drummond yet, he has piss poor fundamentals.

Drummond's fundamentals are very good. Face up, post up, on the wing in transistion, shooting, dribbling in traffic, passing, etc. Again, in this video he is against high school competition but he has an all around game even though he is huge and a man among boys.

[Joey]

Well, unless we get the #1 pick, we're not getting Drummond.

And even if we did, we'd then have to move two-thirds of Ed Davis , Andrea Bargnani and Jonas Valanciunas.

ADD That was a pretty fantastic video btw Stretch.

[Joey]

This one will be long, but hopefully be Constructive to the Conversation.

From NBAdraft.net 2012 Big Board

1. Andre Drummond , 6'10 PF/C
He's the Empire State Building of NBA prospects, with a ceiling that towers over his competing neighbors. Drummond's size, strength, length, athleticism and explosiveness translate to a flawless physical description that he uses to punish his inferior post defenders. Drummond's a guy that opposing coaches gameplan around because of the impact he can have on a game. If he's ruled eligible for the draft, (he can attempt to contest his draft eligibility since he'll be 19 and a year removed from his high school class graduating - provided that the rules on draft picks are not changed) expect GMs to overlook college production for unstoppable, sky scraping upside.

2. James McAdoo , 6'9 F, North Carolina, Fr.
His most promising attributes stem from his physical tools, where he mixes a high level of athleticism with extreme fluidity and mobility. His versatility allows him to play both on the perimeter and the interior, an attractive quality from an NBA standpoint. Playing alongside Kendall Marshall should be fantastic for his stock, as his pinpoint passing should minimize McAdoo's struggles as a shot-creator. McAdoo's ability to impact a game without requiring the ball should make him a fit on almost any NBA roster.

3. Anthony Davis , 6'10 PF, Kentucky, Fr.
Davis' highly coveted 8-inch growth spurt catapulted him to elite prospect status. At 6'10, his ability to play on the perimeter will present match up problems for opposing forwards who lack the lateral quickness to defend off the bounce. With a tight handle, big-time athleticism and promising shooting mechanics, the sky's the limit for the versatile Kentucky freshman. Sharpie him in as a top five selection.

4. Harrison Barnes , 6'8 SF, North Carolina, Soph.
We saw Barnes gradually improve as his freshman year progressed, wisely picking and choosing his spots on the floor. With good size and a high, clean release on his jumper, Barnes should excel at the next level in catch and shoot opportunities. As a slasher, Barnes shows tremendous body control and a soft touch when shooting on the move in the paint. His high basketball IQ and strong character make him a GM's wet dream, and a potential cornerstone at the small forward position for all his suitors.

5. Jared Sullinger , 6'9 PF, Ohio State, Soph.
Sullinger possesses arguably the most refined post game in college hoops, sporting advanced footwork and a great feel for his defender's positioning with his back to the basket. His weaknesses are clear, starting with his limited speed and quickness at the power forward position. Regardless, his effectiveness down low both as a scorer and rebounder make him an attractive prospect for teams looking to beef up their front line.

6. Jeremy Lamb , 6'5 SG, Connecticut, Soph.
Lamb has really refined his pull-up game off the dribble, a weapon that often propels players to the next level. He scored 35 points and pulled up for the game-winner in overtime against Latvia in the U20 World Championships, illustrating a diverse skill-set that's more than just complimentary. It's clear that Lamb needs to add a good 15-20 pounds to his wiry frame, however at just 19 years of age he has time on his side. Look for Lamb to increase his field goal attempts (only 9 per game last year), and become more aggressive with the ball in his hands.

7. Marquis Teague , 6'2 PG, Kentucky, Fr.
Teague has ideal physical tools for a point guard, possessing size, quickness and explosiveness along with a "ball on a string" handle. He excels in the open court where his speed and strength allow him to get to the rim and finish in traffic. As a prospect, Teague needs to control his urges and orchestrate in the halfcourt. Otherwise, his skill level, physical tools and vision make him the top point guard prospect in the group. With Calipari pulling the strings, look for Teague to thrive in a point guard friendly system.

8. Steven Adams, 7'0 C, Scotts HS, New Zealand, 1993
Adams is a 1993 born International player who will come over to play a 5th year of high school ball at Notre Dame Prep and then is signed to play for Pittsburgh in 2012-13. He absolutely blew up at the adidas Nations event in early August, however since NBA scouts were unable to attend, the buzz among NBA circles was muffled. Adams shows a lot of potential and will be the top center prospect in the nation the instant he hits the floor for Pitt.

9. Quincy Miller , 6'9 F, Baylor, Fr.
He has great size for the game he plays. At 6'9, Miller is a versatile combo-forward who can post up his defender or shake him off the dribble. If he can fine-tune that pull-up off the bounce, points will come easy at the college level.

10. Perry Jones , 6'11 PF/C, Baylor, Soph.
Jones reminds me a little of LaMarcus Aldridge with his inside presence and pick and pop potential. Protecting the rim, rebounding and running the floor are all desirable NBA qualities he possesses. Jones struggled to adjust in his freshman year, however with time, his skill-set should shine through the ambiguity of his role. The tools are there, he just needs to figure out when and how to use them.

11. Bradley Beal , 6'4 SG, Florida, Fr.
ADD They compare him to Ray Allen but more athletic. Can play defense too. I say he's more like Eric Gordon, but more of a two-way player. I really like him.
Beal is the top shooter in the class, which normally isn't said about an athlete of his caliber. More than just a spot-up threat, Beal can change directions, pull back and shoot off the dribble. As a ball-handler, he sees the open space whether it's splitting a double team or spinning away from his defender. Maybe the most prolific scoring guard in his class, he'd be a top five pick if he was two inches taller. Still, his offensive instincts, high character and defensive potential likely won't allow him to slip out of the lottery.

12. Austin Rivers , 6'4 SG, Duke, Fr.
Rivers' ceiling as an NBA prospect doesn't reflect his talent level, because he's extremely advanced for a young scoring guard. His ability to score off the dribble, along with deep range and a killer instinct could translate nicely to the NBA level, but should make him a terror against 18 to 21 year olds. A high-volume scorer, Rivers would improve his stock by demonstrating some playmaking ability to offset his undersized off-guard body, and a willingness to put the team first.

13. Khris Middleton 6'7 SF, Texas A&M, Jr.
Middleton possesses typical swingman tools with good length and an automatic mid-range game. He showed incredible consistency as a sophomore, scoring in double figures 27 times in 33 contests. Thus far he hasn't really done enough to garner national attention or headlines, but his time is coming. His maturity as a player and mastery of the 10-18 foot jump shot should provide teams with they don't possess. Expanding his consistency from downtown would increase his value as an NBA prospect.

14. Michael Kidd Gilchrist , 6'7 SF, Kentucky, Fr.
A strong 6'7 forward with substantial length and athleticism, Gilchrist projects as a shutdown defender who is likely to guard the opponent's top gun. While he's no longer the consensus #1 player in his class, he continues to hover among the top handful in his age group through hard work. He may not be your most adept shot-creator, but his efficiency in terms of ball-handling, passing and scoring keeps the offense flowing and his teammates involved. With high character and unselfishness, NBA coaches will love what this kid brings to the table.

15. Terrence Ross , SG 6'6, Washington, Soph.
Ross is dangerous from outside, where he sports a clean release and sweet rhythm in catch and shoot opportunities. A smooth wing with NBA athleticism, Ross does an excellent job at stretching the floor by recognizing and occupying open space. He moves well without the ball and shows deceptive quickness with it, allowing him to get to the rim despite a shaky handle. Ross has shown glimpses of top 20 talent, and will have the opportunity as a sophomore to transform these flashes into lengthy stretches of high-level play.

21. Myck Kabongo , 6'1 PG, Texas, Fr.
Flashy, electric and speedy. Kabongo's quick first step makes him difficult to stay in front of, while his vision turns all his supporting men into potential targets. Without Cory Joseph, Tristan Thompson and Jordan Hamilton, Kabongo will be given a lot of opportunity to dominate the ball and work on NBA-related skills like pulling up off the dribble and gaining a comfort level from 15 feet out. And with a name like Kabongo, how can this guy fail?

Terrence Jones is at #18.
Incredible that he could be seen as a Top 5 pick last year, and suddenly be barely Top 20.

[WhatWhat]

I meant on the defensive end. And he jumper looks a little awkward

On the other hand, Drummond's fundamentals are incredibly poor, looking fairly clueless at times while roaming around aimlessly, and being extremely foul prone on top of that. He's not the toughest or most reactive guy or you'll find right now—something to keep an eye on as he gets older—and has all kinds of issue stepping out onto the perimeter and trying to move his feet out and react to quicker players attacking him off the dribble.

This was in a 2009 report though.

One coach who spent time working extensively with Andre Drummond recently: "getting him to play hard consistently is like pulling teeth."
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On the other hand, Drummond's fundamentals are incredibly poor, looking fairly clueless at times while roaming around aimlessly, and being extremely foul prone on top of that. He's not the toughest or most reactive guy or you'll find right now—something to keep an eye on as he gets older—and has all kinds of issue stepping out onto the perimeter and trying to move his feet out and react to quicker players attacking him off the dribble.

Something to keep in mind is that all these issues are highly correctable and are very much to be expected from a player at his stage of development. Drummond must realize that though and continue to work on his all-around game exhaustively if he's to reach his full potential. The good news is that, despite being a little on the immature side, Drummond is supposedly a very high character young man with a strong support system around him. He looks like a good teammate on top of that from what we could tell in the two games we saw him.

Drummond has a long road ahead of him to making the NBA, but he's obviously off to a great start. We'll have to wait and see how things turn out from here, starting in college. The favorites to land his services at this stage are clearly Jim Calhoun and the hometown UConn Huskies, which, if history is any indication, wouldn't be a bad place for a big man to get ready for the NBA.

2010.

And:

One coach who spent time working extensively with Andre Drummond recently: "getting him to play hard consistently is like pulling teeth."

I'm just saying that I want to see him play more before we take him #1 or whatever.

[Father rev]

Let the College season begin and devise the boys from the real men I say

[DG88]

Ideally we trade Bargs for a late lottery pick so that we have two in this draft. Draft Harrison Barnes and Myck Kabongo. Our core would be set with Valaciunas/Davis/Barnes/DeRozan/Kabongo. The rest of the rebuild will be getting the appropriate bench players and vets on this young team.

[Ambidextrious]

If we get the top pick in next years draft. I would draft Andre Drummond (best available player). Although that would create a log jam of bigs. Or Harrison Barnes (drafting based on needs). Sooo many options. What to do? ... What to do?. BC has his work cut out for him.

[Joey]

I say even if we get the #1, we take Barnes.

[NoPropsneeded]

I say even if we get the #1, we take Barnes.

hell yea! and we trade nani for a second lottery pick and grab Myck Kobongo. Then we win championships every year. Sounds like a good plan

[Apollo]

If the Raptors land Barnes I'll be happy. I think Barnes and Jones made a mistake not coming out this season. Barnes might have went 1st overall. Jones was a lock for the top five. Both are likely to to slide a little now.

[mcHAPPY]

Kendall Marshall (PG, UNC) is also a player to watch. He played some good ball when Larry Drew quit the team after losing starting spot to Marshall. It was also around the time Barnes really turned it on.

[ceez]

Beal kind of intrigues me.