I really hope this is smokescreen from BC. If we were to move above 7, Waiters isn't the guy I want. Barnes is the third or fourth best player in this draft for the Raptors, and it's looking increasingly more like he'll be available at 8.
My takes is that Toronto needs a shooter and scorer on the wing. It so happens that fits Barnes to a tee. The key to Barnes success, in my opinion, will be found at PG with whatever team drafts him. Many have said his game is also much better suited to the NBA than college - we shall see. Also he spent 2 years under a microscope with every team he faced preparing for him. He is not likely to be a #1 option in the NBA but seldom are #1 options being drafted at 8.
The money shot in my take is the author is assuming he goes top 5. I'm talking about the 8th pick.
That said, of all the players with unimpressive college stats, Barnes is the guy I'd give the most chance of improving and becoming a productive player.
Edit: By "productive" I mean he could be the next Mo-Pete, I just don't see star potential.
Last edited by Quirk; Thu Jun 28th, 2012 at 07:37 AM.
If Barnes somehow drooped to us, that be amazing. I'm not jeeping my hopes up though. It's an exciting day!
I we are really looking at moving up to pick this guy it means one of two things. The team is projecting him as a PG going forward, or DeMar Derozan will be shopped and shipped out, you don't move up to take a SG in the top 6 to have him be stuck behind DeRozan for the foreseeable future.
I'm looking beyond the numbers at the many other 'intangibles' raw stats are not going to show:
1) poise, demeanour, character, drive to succeed, work ethic, ability to work under stressful and scrutiny.
2) surprising athletic numbers that came from combine (sprint, jump, etc).
3) prototypical NBA body at SF.
4) the fit on Toronto with JV, Bargnani, and DeRozan. He is a perfect compliment to what those 3 bring.
5) with his physical attributes (wingspan, height) and abilities and the teaching of Dwane Casey, he could become a lock down defender.
#4 is biggest for me with regards to the Raptors and losing my bodily functions.
Yeah I do not buy this at all. He is just trying to pressure or influence someone into taking him.
If we're trying to move up, especially to as high as 4, we should only be doing it for MKG
The thing is....Harrison Barnes is pure mythology. His numbers, be they simple, advanced, regressed, compounded, fractaled - any - way you look at them, are weak.
If the Raptors drafted Barnes simply because they need a shooter at the 3, and at this point, that's pretty much ALL Harrison Barnes is good for, they could do way better by looking at dudes in the 2nd round, such as Kevin Murphy, or even later in the first, such as Terrence Ross, who both shoot much better than does Barnes. Did you know that Barnes shoots WORSE than Dion Waiters - both inside and outside the arc?
I don't understand at all what the big screaming deal is with Harrison Barnes. He's had 2 years of college in an elite program to show that he's got real b-ball talent. He was a complete and utter disaster - a DISASTER - without Kendall Marshall, both before he got promoted to the starting 5 and after he went down with a broken hand. Regardless, even with Marshall his numbers were only mediocore.
Tell me, please, why Harrison Barnes is better than Terrence Ross. Or, conversely, exactly why it would be okay to trade up to draft Barnes, but not okay to trade up to draft Waiters? And don't just respond with rhetoric. I want actual, legit evidence.
Also, someone please change the thread title. It's draft day! I think it's time to drop the "promise to Rivers" banner.
What if Waiters is a better player? I mean we weren't at workouts.
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