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Thread: 2012 Draft Thursday, June 28th: Raptors select Terence Ross

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    plus miller has some sweet handles. He made that one kid slide all over the court and drained a jumper in his face. And we need atleast one cockey... i mean confident guy on our team.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Just cause they look alike? :P Lamb is much better than you believe though.
    i never said they look alike

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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    nick young can play, but god his face pisses me off too.
    nick young can't do anything but score. He's the most one dimensional player in the nba

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    Yeah team needs some definite swagger

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    I think it's fair. You have to remember he is really long(7 Foot wingspan). You think Lebron looks 270?
    I am 6'7" and 240. There is no way MKG is 228...... no way.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Yes he does

    Where do you get elite athleticism from that. His feet don't get of the floor that high. His head is barely at the rim sometimes. If your 6'9 and you have "Elite Athleticism" your head should consistently be at the rim. His not a slouch though his long and quick off his feet. His a Good athelete at best. He does have remarkable handles for 6'9.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Yes he does

    I remember watching that video last summer and thinking, "Wow." Then I found out about his knee and thought, "Damn."

    From all accounts he has matured as a result of the injury. You can see watching the video he has swag but he also has immaturity - lots of it.

    It will be interesting to see what happens in the individual workouts and the amount of training he puts in after the season leading up to the draft. He is a very rare combination of skill and physical attributes.

    Some guys make a full recovery after a torn ACL. Some guys are never the same. If Miller made a full recovery, sign me up ahead of Barnes and MKG. Unfortunately, that is a big IF right now.

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    I hope he makes a full recovery. How long does it usually take, do u know? anyway if he does than i'd take him even if we're in the top 5.

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    He seems to have elite length and skills, but doesn't really rely on elite athleticism. That might make the knee injury a bit less of a concern, as long as it doesn't keep him from playing lots of minutes in an NBA grind. That is always a worry and risk for a high draft pick. I much prefer MKG's demeanour to Miller's. MKG is all business and all about "team". It's good to have the stars, but it's remarkable how many of them never really elevate their teams to the top tier.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    nick young can't do anything but score. He's the most one dimensional player in the nba
    His stats look a lot like those from DeRozan.

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    Harrison Barnes 20pts 3rbs 1ast W @NCST

    Brad Beal 13pts 6reb 2ast W @Auburn

    MKG 18pts 10rbs 1ast W @MissSt
    •In the first half Miss St PG(Dee Bost) was eating up Jeff Teague. In the second he put MKG on him and, totally took him out the game

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    on the subject of pj3 I think he is hidden in the system which is why his numbers are not jumping out at you. I had many talks with people over the years and the college game favors guards. The zone defense in college hampers what pj3 can do. vince carter is a great example of being hidden within the system. From what I have seen I have no doubt pj3 is the best small forward in the draft he will be a mismatch nightmare for teams.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Harrison Barnes 20pts 3rbs 1ast W @NCST

    Brad Beal 13pts 6reb 2ast W @Auburn

    MKG 18pts 10rbs 1ast W @MissSt
    •In the first half Miss St PG(Dee Bost) was eating up Jeff Teague. In the second he put MKG on him and, totally took him out the game
    Looking at yesterday's stats, this stood out:

    Kendall Marshall (UNC) - 22 pts (7/8 FG, 4/5 3FG, 4/4 FT), 13 Assists, 0 TO.

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    Quote Bouncepass wrote: View Post
    Looking at yesterday's stats, this stood out:

    Kendall Marshall (UNC) - 22 pts (7/8 FG, 4/5 3FG, 4/4 FT), 13 Assists, 0 TO.
    The assists and turnovers aren't a surprise to me.

    The shooting most definitely is a surprise. He is shooting low 40's from the field and around 27 from three this season.

    My biggest issue with Marshall is the talent he plays with is extraordinary for the college level. His frontline has 3 NBA draft picks - 1 of which is a definite high lottery pick and the other 2 are borderline lottery picks. I don't want to take anything away from him but his low shooting percentages (minus this game) give me cause for concern.

    This is why I am so dead set against Teague. He has so much talent around him, even more than Marshall I think, and his assists are mediocre and turnovers very high.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    His stats look a lot like those from DeRozan.
    Okay, he's ONE OF the most one dimensional players. :-)

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    The assists and turnovers aren't a surprise to me.

    The shooting most definitely is a surprise. He is shooting low 40's from the field and around 27 from three this season.

    My biggest issue with Marshall is the talent he plays with is extraordinary for the college level. His frontline has 3 NBA draft picks - 1 of which is a definite high lottery pick and the other 2 are borderline lottery picks. I don't want to take anything away from him but his low shooting percentages (minus this game) give me cause for concern.

    This is why I am so dead set against Teague. He has so much talent around him, even more than Marshall I think, and his assists are mediocre and turnovers very high.
    I agree. I think the jury will be out on Marshall until he actually plays in the NBA. I am not sure how his game will translate, especially if he isn't able to shoot with more consistency. He is probably a player that would be worth a flyer late in R1 or early in R2. Workouts will be important for him to see whether he has upside as a shooter, and to assess if his athleticism will be a big constraint.

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    Looks like DraftExpress has dropped Kabongo to 31 in player rankings and dropped him out of the 2012 Mock Draft. I guess they think he might wait a year to enter based on his performance this year. I wonder if someone might give him a promise late in R1, or if he waits a year and tries to work his way up the rankings.

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    Quote Bouncepass wrote: View Post
    Looks like DraftExpress has dropped Kabongo to 31 in player rankings and dropped him out of the 2012 Mock Draft. I guess they think he might wait a year to enter based on his performance this year. I wonder if someone might give him a promise late in R1, or if he waits a year and tries to work his way up the rankings.
    That is a really good debate for him - should he or should he not declare? There are good arguments on both sides.

    This is what scouts are saying about him from SI.com:

    6. Who's the best point guard in the potential 2012 class?

    Unlike in the last five drafts, when the top point guard has gone No. 1 three times (Derrick Rose, John Wall, Kyrie Irving) and never lower than No. 5 (Ricky Rubio), it'd come as an overt shock for any of this year's crop to crack the top 10. The 2012 class is notoriously frontcourt-heavy, with UConn's Jeremy Lamb and Florida's Bradley Beal the only guards projected in the lottery of most mocks.

    That doesn't mean there aren't some hidden gems. UNC's Kendall Marshall is a gifted passer (though his defense remains suspect), and Texas' Myck Kabongo possesses elite speed (though his decision-making is developing). Weber State's Damian Lillard is perhaps the most intriguing case, leading the nation in scoring (25.1 points per game) in the little-known Big Sky Conference.

    But the point guard most likely to go first? That's Tony Wroten Jr., the 6-5, 205-pound freshman out of Washington. He's scored in double-figures in 23 of 25 games, and ranks among the top five in the Pac-12 in points (16.4), assists (3.5), steals (1.9) and field goal percentage (47.1). He's also been phenomenal getting free throw line -- earning 188 attempts, second among major conference players -- and has wowed evaluators with his surprising versatility.

    "When we saw him in some of the high school All-Star games, he was really a pass-first guy," said one of the scouts. "But at Washington, he's been a really prolific scorer. I saw a comparison to Tyreke Evans -- capable of getting assists, but always in that attack, wanna score mode."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1n7OWxSXp
    Kabongo will have to make his decision by April 10 but if he were to receive a first round guarantee from 1 or 2 teams, I would declare.

    Speaking of benefiting from returning to school:

    5. Which player would benefit most by returning to school this year?

    The obvious choice here is Drummond, whose skills, though improving, remain a far cry from NBA levels. He's been maddeningly inconsistent -- struggling as UConn lost six of its last seven games -- with scouts criticizing his offensive deficiencies.

    "He's a project outside of five feet," one scout said. "Even if you draft him now, he's realistically a couple years away from helping you down the road."

    Thing is, Drummond's frame (6-10, 270) and athleticism are exceptionally scarce, all but assuring a top-five selection. The more ideal candidate to return is Quincy Miller, Baylor's 6-9, 210-pound power forward still recovering from an ACL tear in December 2010. Though he's shown flashes of brilliance (20 points, 7-of-10 shooting in a Feb. 11 loss to Missouri), he's averaging a mere five rebounds despite his size, a sign that he's not fully comfortable since coming back from injury.

    "Quincy Miller should come back for sure," said a scout. "He's very talented, but from a physical standpoint, hopefully he can regain some of that athletic ability. He looks like's he's still laboring and doesn't have the explosion or burst."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1n7OWxSXp

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    nick young can't do anything but score. He's the most one dimensional player in the nba
    That's called being a specialist. I'm not a fan of Young either, but Jeremy Lamb on the other hand is a much better player with a more diverse game.

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    If you're Miller, coming off a major injury, you declare. Right now he's a borderline lottery pick. Yeah, he might improve that, but now he has in his head that he could get hurt again.

    He should be fully recovered at a year after an ACL reconstruction (so, now).

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