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    Cavaliers, Bobcats discuss deal

    A fascinating game of cat-and-mouse has unfolded in the middle of the lottery, where the Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Charlotte Bobcats are jockeying to get the players they want out of the 2011 draft.

    Cleveland wants to draft 7-footer Jonas Valanciunas of Lithuania, but had a scenario where it could get him and also land the 19th overall pick belonging to the Bobcats, sources said. Charlotte has the ninth pick, and desperately wants Texas’ Tristan Thompson. The Bobcats believe that Thompson won’t get past Detroit with the eighth pick and need the Cavaliers to take him fourth. This way, Valanciunas, who may not be able to join the NBA until the 2012-13 season, would drop to Charlotte at nine, and owner Michael Jordan would trade Valanciunas – with the 18th overall pick – to the Cavaliers for Thompson.

    Several days ago, Detroit hadn’t planned to draft Valanciunas, but sources said Pistons general manager Joe Dumars was given the OK by new owner Tom Gores to take Valanciunas despite the fact he wouldn’t be able to join the team this season. This is a problem for the Charlotte-Cleveland deal, and now another has arisen. Several teams believe the San Antonio Spurs’ desire to get the Sacramento Kings’ pick at No. 7 centers on a desire to draft Valanciunas as a future replacement for Tim Duncan, and now Cleveland must draft Valanciunas at the No. 4 spot, or risk losing him all together.

    In this scenario, Detroit could land Thompson with the eighth pick, unless the Houston Rockets can convince the Pistons to move back in exchange for the 14th and 23 overall picks.

    And yet, sources said, Cleveland is still trying to engage the Toronto Raptors at No. 5 and the Washington Wizards at No. 6 to find a way to get another asset and still end up with Valanciunas.

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    Karma is a bitch ain't it?
    Watching Chandler play in finals and another season of Calderon's 'clap defense' was like getting punched in the face and the gut at the same time. MJ deserves this and much more!
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    You know when we drafted this kid that was the first thought in my head that we got him mainly to screw of jordan

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    So the Cavs didn't draft Thompson for themselves, but now they're stuck with him. Is that correct?

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    Interesting article. I thought Tristan would be drafted 8th or 9th and was shocked when he was drafted 4th. This explains why.
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    I remember reading rumours to this prior to the draft and when Thompson was called out I told my wife it was for him to get traded.

    Karma monkey. Still on Jordan's back since this only makes up for part of it.

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    i'd like to believe Jonas was a last second pick JUST to screw with MJ.

    i'd also like to believe that BC was giggling in a corner, muttering "F$%$ YOU MJ!! Tyson Chandler, Mother F#$%#$!!"

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    So the Cavs didn't draft Thompson for themselves, but now they're stuck with him. Is that correct?
    That's how it appears... but I wouldn't be too disappointed if I were a Cavs fan. Irving and Thompson are probably two of the safest picks you could make.

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    I hadn't heard this before. Interesting. But Valanciunas was the best pick, regardless, and a gift Colangelo couldn't pass up. For the second year in a row. Cleveland couldn't have thought that he would have lasted two more picks. Not when he was so highly sought after.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I hadn't heard this before. Interesting. But Valanciunas was the best pick, regardless, and a gift Colangelo couldn't pass up. For the second year in a row. Cleveland couldn't have thought that he would have lasted two more picks. Not when he was so highly sought after.
    I dunno, if the Raptors were thought to be going after Brandon Knight, then Washington would be the only obstacle. And if Val was available, would they take him or Vesely?

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    You know when we drafted this kid that was the first thought in my head that we got him mainly to screw of jordan
    and vetoing the chandler deal was mj's way of getting back at us.
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    I dunno, if the Raptors were thought to be going after Brandon Knight, then Washington would be the only obstacle. And if Val was available, would they take him or Vesely?
    You might be right, but Valanciunas was believed to be the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft and most thought Cleveland would take him at 4 if Utah didn't take him at 3. That's a HUGE gamble to take that he'll last until 7. Especially when both Toronto and Washington could most definitely use him.
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    If true how effing greedy are the Cavs. They have the 1st and 4th and still angling for more with a pretty reaching stunt like that. Now they have a bunch of pgs and pfs.

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    If true how effing greedy are the Cavs. They have the 1st and 4th and still angling for more with a pretty reaching stunt like that. Now they have a bunch of pgs and pfs.
    Truly greedy. Not only did they fuck themselves but Charlotte as well. Biyombo will be a bust in a team that cannot score. Hmm, they have Diaw (who just exercised his option), Tyrus Thomas and Biyombo. They're fucked. And yea, Kemba, he'll be fine, but he's got a clone with him in DJ Augustine. Who's going to take the rock? Oh, let's not forget that they traded their heart and soul in Gerald Wallace. Take that MJ.
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    Truly greedy. Not only did they fuck themselves but Charlotte as well. Biyombo will be a bust in a team that cannot score. Hmm, they have Diaw (who just exercised his option), Tyrus Thomas and Biyombo. They're fucked. And yea, Kemba, he'll be fine, but he's got a clone with him in DJ Augustine. Who's going to take the rock? Oh, let's not forget that they traded their heart and soul in Gerald Wallace. Take that MJ.
    I don't think Charlotte should be worried about how much they will score next season. They're in the same boat as Toronto, worrying about 3-5 years from now, not next season. And they do have Corey Maggette, now, who probably score better than Jackson and Wallace. He can't do anything else, but he can score.

    I also don't understand blaming Cleveland for being greedy. Isn't that pretty much what you WANT your team to be? Or should they worry about not taking too much away from the other teams? If Toronto had the chance to get the top two picks, would you recommend them not doing that because it would be greedy?
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    I also don't understand blaming Cleveland for being greedy. Isn't that pretty much what you WANT your team to be? Or should they worry about not taking too much away from the other teams? If Toronto had the chance to get the top two picks, would you recommend them not doing that because it would be greedy?
    Part of that sentiment for me was that Cleveland & Charlotte were trying to game Toronto. At least I believe that may well have been the case since I am not privy to trade possibility discussions and the arrangement which was being reported about Cleveland and Toronto flipping their picks.

    I dont believe the Cavs fans are very enamored with that move going sour. I know I wouldnt if I were a fan.

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    Whats done is done, whoever got fucked, got fucked but at the end of the day, we got our center!!! Good job BC for showing your commitment to this long rebuilding process eventhough your contract is only 2 yrs, that says it right there that BC picking Val is for the team's future and not for himself trying to sell another contract extension. Im pretty sure if all goes well and he keeps doing things like this, he will be our GM for a while..

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I don't think Charlotte should be worried about how much they will score next season. They're in the same boat as Toronto, worrying about 3-5 years from now, not next season. And they do have Corey Maggette, now, who probably score better than Jackson and Wallace. He can't do anything else, but he can score.

    I also don't understand blaming Cleveland for being greedy. Isn't that pretty much what you WANT your team to be? Or should they worry about not taking too much away from the other teams? If Toronto had the chance to get the top two picks, would you recommend them not doing that because it would be greedy?
    If conventional wisdom suggests that you draft the best person available, then I'd have to say that Cleveland fucked up big time. It was a risk and if they went with conventional wisdom, they'd have JV and Irving. They gambled and lost. They hope to god that Thomas does work out for them. A team promising to trade you an additional pick is tempting but very foolish especially when we're talking about the top 4 here. If this were the Raps, I wouldn't recommend it for it is very risky. They drafted Thompson for Charlotte, not their team. I don't care personally. It was their greed that led us to Jonas.
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    this doesn't make too much sense, because even if JV is off the board Cleveland should still do that trade. If you drafted Thompson for the Cats and have no interest in him it's still better to just get the 2 later picks and make your own decision and take someone like Burke or Leonard at 9 and whoever is there at 19.

    Also the Bobcats/Bucks/Kings trade happened before the draft even started, so Bobcats didn't even have a 19th pick at the time and there's no way they were going to give up 7 and 9.

    I'm having a hard time believing this article.

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    Regardless the Bobcats hands down won this draft IMO. Walker + Bismack are going to be beasts if Bobcats don't utterly **** up.

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