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    Default Sebastian Pruiti: "Jonas Valanciunas & Andrea Bargnani Can Work Defensively"

    From ESPN TrueHoop Affiliate NBA Playbook:
    While Valanciunas is staying overseas for one more season, the Raptors’ front office and new coaching staff have big expectations for him on the defensive end. While doing my player comparisons for Basketball Prospectus, Kevin Pelton’s player similarity scores showed us that Valanciunas compared most closely to Tyson Chandler. Funny enough, the man who just coached Chandler and will be coaching Valanciunas in the future saw the same things...
    Despite the reputation Bargnani has for being soft and a terrible defensive player, I think the combination of Valanciunas and Bargnani can work on the defensive end. While Raptor fans are probably rolling their eyes at me, because both Valanciunas and Bargnani have strengths and weaknesses right now defensively. Luckily for them, their strengths compliment each other well, and they should be able to hide each other’s weaknesses.
    Luckily for Bargnani and the Raptors, Jonas Valanciunas’ biggest strength right now is his help defense/being that last line of defense, blocking and bothering shots, but never really getting too far away from his man and being in position to defend him as well:

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    You take Bargnani out of the title and we're then making some sense. JV isn't going to be good enough right out of the gate to compensate for Bargnani's deficiencies.

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    Interesting read, although part of me is skeptical despite being a big fan of Pruiti's work.

    I think it's a stretch at this point to say that these two would complement one another defensively, considering one will be a 20 year old rookie with no NBA experience and in need of some physical development and the other will be half way through his second deal while never showing a semblance of competency in that area. There's also the chance that they never end up playing on the same team whatsoever.

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    Saying JV and AB would complement each other on defense is like saying your new leather couch and that ugly looking lavender colored sofa you got talked into buying, which can't be returned because you lost the receipt, complement each other in your living room. Time to toss the sofa to the curb. Go to Wal-Mart and get something cheap if you must to tie you over until you find the right piece.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Saying JV and AB would complement each other on defense is like saying your new leather couch and that ugly looking lavender colored sofa you got talked into buying, which can't be returned because you lost the receipt, complement each other in your living room. Time to toss the sofa to the curb. Go to Wal-Mart and get something cheap if you must to tie you over until you find the right piece.
    I disagree completely. Walmart is an awful organization and buying ANYTHING at Walmart not only is a vote for them to continue their business practices, but also Walmart products are generally cheaply made and of poor quality because it's the only way they can get the prices low enough to sell them at Walmart.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I disagree completely. Walmart is an awful organization and buying ANYTHING at Walmart not only is a vote for them to continue their business practices, but also Walmart products are generally cheaply made and of poor quality because it's the only way they can get the prices low enough to sell them at Walmart.
    Sorry to break the news but free agency is more than likely going to look like Wal-Mart to the Raptors this off-season.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Sorry to break the news but free agency is more than likely going to look like Wal-Mart to the Raptors this off-season.
    That's true, but only if the Raptors acquire Yao Ming, or Yi Jianlian

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Sorry to break the news but free agency is more than likely going to look like Wal-Mart to the Raptors this off-season.
    I prefer they shop at Value Village, for this free agency. They still get what they need, temporarily, but it doesn't feed the big, bad machine.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I prefer they shop at Value Village, for this free agency. They still get what they need, temporarily, but it doesn't feed the big, bad machine.
    LOL.. I'm thinking Dollarama.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I prefer they shop at Value Village, for this free agency. They still get what they need, temporarily, but it doesn't feed the big, bad machine.
    Anyone who has shopped at Value Village (and I have!) will attest to some very good deals hidden on their racks. One just has to search thoroughly then wash/rinse. Good for a couple of years and at a very affordable price.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I disagree completely. Walmart is an awful organization and buying ANYTHING at Walmart not only is a vote for them to continue their business practices, but also Walmart products are generally cheaply made and of poor quality because it's the only way they can get the prices low enough to sell them at Walmart.
    Nobody questions his 1-on-1 game defensively, but he's not playing 1-on-1, he's playing a team game and he's terrible when it come to help defense.

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    Nobody questions his 1-on-1 game defensively, but he's not playing 1-on-1, he's playing a team game and he's terrible when it come to help defense.
    I think you may have quote the wrong comment, but I think a lot of people question his man to man defense. The thing is that people remember the good games he has, which are actually few and far between, and don't seem to remember that the vast majority of the games he actually struggled trying to contain his own man.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I think you may have quote the wrong comment, but I think a lot of people question his man to man defense. The thing is that people remember the good games he has, which are actually few and far between, and don't seem to remember that the vast majority of the games he actually struggled trying to contain his own man.
    yea, 10 great games out of 82 isn't exactly worthy of being a starter on any team.

    edit: and to add: those great games that he has should be the standard. By now great for him should be containing his man and scoring 40+ points while grabbing 7-11 rebounds and 2-3 blocks. Just writing that stat line and thinking "Andrea Bargnani" is making me laugh.

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I think you may have quote the wrong comment, but I think a lot of people question his man to man defense. The thing is that people remember the good games he has, which are actually few and far between, and don't seem to remember that the vast majority of the games he actually struggled trying to contain his own man.
    Yeah my bad. Bargnani's main issue is his work ethic. He doesn't seem to take rebounding and defense as seriously as his offense which for any team's center is a huge problem.

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    Saying JV and AB would complement each other on defense is like saying your new leather couch and that ugly looking lavender colored sofa you got talked into buying, which can't be returned because you lost the receipt, complement each other in your living room. Time to toss the sofa to the curb. Go to Wal-Mart and get something cheap if you must to tie you over until you find the right piece.
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    I don't think Bargs really compliments anything on defense
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    I don't think Bargs really compliments anything on defense
    That's not true. He complements the other team perfectly.

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    Quote marz wrote: View Post
    that's not true. He complements the other team perfectly.
    lol. +1

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    Could they work together defensively? Maybe. Is Bargs a good defensive compliment to Val? Absolutley not. If Bargs can become a decent man and pick and roll defender then him and Val could work as a defensive unit: if Val works out as a great help defender then a scheme could be devised where he shouldered the bulk of the help responsibilities and Bargs became more of a situational help guy and focused mostly on man D. A player that complimented Val would not need to have a system designed to limit his invovment.
    Another elite help defender who had a good understanding of how to cover for Val when he hedged out hard (like Chandler does) would be perfect. In fact, the more I think on it the more I like an Ed Davis and Val combo, defensively. Those two could potentially be one of the best front courts in the league at cutting off opposing guards and blocking shots. The offense would need to be redesigned, and a guard type player like DD would have to shoulder the majority of the offense but I could see that front court being good.
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    A player that complimented Val would not need to have a system designed to limit his invovment.
    Another elite help defender who had a good understanding of how to cover for Val when he hedged out hard (like Chandler does) would be perfect. In fact, the more I think on it the more I like an Ed Davis and Val combo, defensively. Those two could potentially be one of the best front courts in the league at cutting off opposing guards and blocking shots.
    This is a nice summary of those two. I think that a big man rotation of Val, Ed, and Amir, would do us quite well defensively, and decent enough offensively, to build around for a few years. I'm probably a bigger fan of Bargs than most people, but I will readily admit that the guys we've brought in the last couple years have been brought in to cover for, and eventually replace him.
    I don't see him being around much longer, regardless of his improvement (or lack thereof). I'd be happy with Ed Amir and JV as long as JV pans out alright.

    Wouldn't it be terrible if in three years we're having the same talks but with JV instead of Bargs' name? Ugh.

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