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    This sort of reminds me of Brandon Jennings saying that Rubio was "overated", yet thus far we see that Jennings is the overated one with huge holes in his game.

    If Young does come out in 2012 in a very loaded draft as a 6'9 big man, he is in danger himself not being a top 14 lottery pick.

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    This sort of reminds me of Brandon Jennings saying that Rubio was "overated", yet thus far we see that Jennings is the overated one with huge holes in his game.

    If Young does come out in 2012 in a very loaded draft as a 6'9 big man, he is in danger himself not being a top 14 lottery pick.
    Huh? Look at Jennings stats -- a player who was drafted mid first round and is a middle of the road starting point guard in the NBA. Now look at Rubio's stats in the Euroleague, a high draft pick who has declined in the past 2 to 3 years. Jennings is EXACTLY where people thought he'd be -- he's an okay starting PG. Rubio is a bench warmer in a respected (but lesser league).
    Last I checked that is the definition of overrated.

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    Default After 3 days of U19WC - Advanced statistics

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    Jonas leads the tournament with an EFF of 34.2

    Young is 26th with an EFF of 16.5

    Interesting side note:
    Jonas = 19.2 years old
    Young = 19.4 year old

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Huh? Look at Jennings stats -- a player who was drafted mid first round and is a middle of the road starting point guard in the NBA. Now look at Rubio's stats in the Euroleague, a high draft pick who has declined in the past 2 to 3 years. Jennings is EXACTLY where people thought he'd be -- he's an okay starting PG. Rubio is a bench warmer in a respected (but lesser league).
    Last I checked that is the definition of overrated.
    There is not much to debate or disagree with here until Rubio actually plays in the NBA. However a couple of points of clarification:

    1) Jennings was drafted 10 - I would not call that mid first round.

    2) To get a better comparison, apples to apples if you will, it might be worth noting Brandon Jennings Euro stats in his one year there. He hardly 'lit it up' and was 19 at the time. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...gs-1114/stats/

    Rubio stats are here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...io-1155/stats/

    3) The European game is different than the NBA and as it suit Jennings better than Europe, it may do the same for Rubio (It may not as well).

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    There is not much to debate or disagree with here until Rubio actually plays in the NBA. However a couple of points of clarification:

    1) Jennings was drafted 10 - I would not call that mid first round.

    2) To get a better comparison, apples to apples if you will, it might be worth noting Brandon Jennings Euro stats in his one year there. He hardly 'lit it up' and was 19 at the time. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...gs-1114/stats/

    Rubio stats are here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...io-1155/stats/

    3) The European game is different than the NBA and as it suit Jennings better than Europe, it may do the same for Rubio (It may not as well).
    Just goes to show how useless stats are and why its so annoying trying to scout good european players from inside your basement...

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    Since when does the opinion of a 19 year old matter when evaluating talent?

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    There will be a rematch, so his play can do the talking.

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    Quote MyMomLovesMe wrote: View Post
    There will be a rematch, so his play can do the talking.
    Will he pull a David Haye?

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    There is not much to debate or disagree with here until Rubio actually plays in the NBA. However a couple of points of clarification:

    1) Jennings was drafted 10 - I would not call that mid first round.

    2) To get a better comparison, apples to apples if you will, it might be worth noting Brandon Jennings Euro stats in his one year there. He hardly 'lit it up' and was 19 at the time. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...gs-1114/stats/

    Rubio stats are here: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...io-1155/stats/


    3) The European game is different than the NBA and as it suit Jennings better than Europe, it may do the same for Rubio (It may not as well).


    I never said Jennings "lit up" the Euroleague. Last I checked I called him mid-tier. The middle of the draft to me is picks # 10-20. Pick 10 is lottery but it's hardly a spot you expect to draft a star. If you feel mid draft is only pick 15 fine, I won't dispute it.

    However, if you read what I said instead of poorly debating it you would see that my point is that Jennings is a mid tier starter in the league -- which was expected from where he was drafted. Rubio has not lived up to his high draft status. By these simple facts -- these are facts -- one was correctly rated and one was overrated. This is the truth as it stands now. Can things change? Will Rubio improve? Who knows? I don't, neither do you.

    The term overrated literally means that someone is rated higher than they deserve. Jennings said Rubio was overrated. The way things have worked out he was correct.

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    I never said Jennings "lit up" the Euroleague. Last I checked I called him mid-tier. The middle of the draft to me is picks # 10-20. Pick 10 is lottery but it's hardly a spot you expect to draft a star. If you feel mid draft is only pick 15 fine, I won't dispute it.

    However, if you read what I said instead of poorly debating it you would see that my point is that Jennings is a mid tier starter in the league -- which was expected from where he was drafted. Rubio has not lived up to his high draft status. By these simple facts -- these are facts -- one was correctly rated and one was overrated. This is the truth as it stands now. Can things change? Will Rubio improve? Who knows? I don't, neither do you.

    The term overrated literally means that someone is rated higher than they deserve. Jennings said Rubio was overrated. The way things have worked out he was correct.
    I think we are on the same page. My original post was not meant to be offensive as you seem to have taken it - apologies for that.

    I don't think 10 is mid first round. You gave your idea of a mid first round pick - it is hard to argue with someone's opinion so that is fine.

    I did not mean to imply you said Jennings 'lit it up' - I put it quotes around as more of an emphasis on a saying as he played only 12 minutes per game yet still was drafted at 10 and has became a legit starter almost immediately.

    Your facts are opinions, I have to disagree on that. Rubio has not lived up to his high draft status because he has not played in the NBA. Europe and the NBA are different games and, as Jennings showed, stats in one do not translate to the other.

    What will Rubio do in the NBA? That is something we both can agree on (I think) - I don't know nor do you.

    The reply was not meant to "poorly debate" it was to highlight 10 is not a mid first round pick (in my opinion, not your's - fair enough) and to show stats in Europe do not translate to the NBA as Jennings showed. Also do not forget this is what I started with:

    There is not much to debate or disagree with here until Rubio actually plays in the NBA.
    Until this happens it is not fact, it is opinions.

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    Default Patrick Young says JV is a great player... what is it really Patrick???

    Patrick Young said last week JV's not deserving of being a lottery pick. Today he says concerning JV, "I really respect Jonas. His game is great. It’s really tough to defend him in the post. He’s a great player… we’re both really physical players…"

    http://raptorsrepublicnews.posterous...sa05-july-2011

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    http://latvia2011.fiba.com//pages/en...5194/game.html

    30 points 15 boards and 4 blocks, just another day at the office for JV!

    That cockhead Young had 15 and 7, but got some hoops when it really mattered today I guess. He looks a bit like D12 size wise, he's likely gonna be pretty dominant in the NBA someday.

    There's actually some decent highlight on the link I posted next to the boxscore.
    Keep Calm & Chive On

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    Word is big Val went apeshit in the lockerroom after the loss, punching walls and whatnot. Seriously upset.

    All despite dropping some pretty baller numbers on the superior team. Glad he's on my side.
    @jerboat

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Word is big Val went apeshit in the lockerroom after the loss, punching walls and whatnot. Seriously upset.

    All despite dropping some pretty baller numbers on the superior team. Glad he's on my side.
    He's going to love playing with White Swan.

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    Quote WhatWhat wrote: View Post
    He's going to love playing with White Swan.
    ya hopefully that wall will be bargnani after a loss. hahaa

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    Quote Mack North wrote: View Post
    That cockhead Young had 15 and 7, but got some hoops when it really mattered today I guess. He looks a bit like D12 size wise, he's likely gonna be pretty dominant in the NBA someday.
    He's not as tall as Dwight Howard, but i totally agree with you. Body-wise he looks very much NBA ready. I don't know anything about his skills, but I guess he'll be able to get good minutes from day one just by throwing his body around.

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    He's not as tall as Dwight Howard, but i totally agree with you. Body-wise he looks very much NBA ready. I don't know anything about his skills, but I guess he'll be able to get good minutes from day one just by throwing his body around.
    He looks to be a Daniel Orton in the making. He is being touted as lottery but in freshman year played 17.8 minutes and averaged 3.4 pts and 3.8 rebs. I know a Lithuanian who played versus men and did much better but yet is not considered an NBA lottery pick by Young. The only saving grace would be Young does not consider himself a lottery pick either.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    He looks to be a Daniel Orton in the making. He is being touted as lottery but in freshman year played 17.8 minutes and averaged 3.4 pts and 3.8 rebs. I know a Lithuanian who played versus men and did much better but yet is not considered an NBA lottery pick by Young. The only saving grace would be Young does not consider himself a lottery pick either.
    That would go well during the interviews, ahaha

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    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/...eir-only-hope/

    Jonas fever is sweeping Raptors fandom.

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