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to your point, bautista is like vince carter was where he's playing like an mvp and carter was dunking on the entire world where bautista is hitting dingers left and right.
Bosh just failed to realize that he is not a good enough player to garner that attention and his best year he was putting up 20 and 10, only problem was so we're have the guys at his positions.
not to rip on the guy, but, a jump shooting pf isn't exactly as exciting as a home run king or a masterful dunker and people have finally come to realize that.
most people figured he was just underrated because nobody payed attention to toronto, but, now in miami they realize it wasn't the team, it was the player all along.
so, i don't think bautista's all star success proves bosh's theory wrong because i don't think it was a theory, and bosh certainly isn't going to prove that it is playing behing lbj and wade and getting two dunks a game acting like it's the best dunk anyone has ever seen every time.
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It is clear that Bosh has few hi-light moments in his game to warrant too many "letmeseethatagain" responses. It is also clear that Miami erred by not choosing Amare as their power forward f/a signing. He would also have been cheaper! In Bosh's defense how many people around him would actually tell him the truth about his game. Introspection can be difficult when you are successful. I think he is smart enough to have probably figured out by now that he was wrong about those thoughts of not enough exposure...or rather exposure unintended.
If he was with the Raptors the personnel would have been selected differently and with Duncan's attitude, he simply wouldn't have cared about the attention (by choice he has very few sponsors and he avoids the media). In the end I have no doubt he would be just as well recognized and respected as he is now. Now if he played with a high-profile/big basketball market he would be in constant discussions as one of top 5 greatest players ever (Russell type mystic) IMO.
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Bautista still isn't getting a lot of exposure. Toronto baseball games aren't being broadcasted by FOX - and haven't really been since Clemens was around in the mid-late 90's. Bautista hasn't getting any endorsement deals, at least not to my knowledge. You know what gets media exposure? Winning. And on a consistent basis.
When Bosh was putting up his numbers, he was still getting his respect due in terms of making all-star teams and was in local advertisements. Aside from the Jays own promo stuff, I haven't seen any Bautista promos - whether it be television, radio or print ads.
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But the fact that 8 Million fans voted for him, IS an indication that his name is out there, and is getting the kind of publicity that it takes to draw that many fans. The fact that he ISN'T sponsored by Coke and Nike and Jordan, and yet is able to Set Voting records, is almost MORE proof that his recognition goes beyond traditional borders, and traditional Avenues of "exposure".
And being played on FOX is not, in my opinion, an indicator of whether you've made it or not. While Vince was here, the Raptors MAYBE got 2 games of National Coverage a Year. MAYBE.
American TV stations will NEVER choose to put a Toronto team over an American team unless they KNOW it will draw a huge, National, US wide audience, because they don't get half the viewership they normally would.
If they broadcast a New York vs. Boston game, they get the Ratings (and Ad money) from both the viewership in NY and in Boston. With Toronto, they would only get the Numbers from the American based Audience. So it doesn't make sense for them to show a Toronto team.
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While I do agree it is up to the player on whether or not they'd follow through with a promo, I'm sure if a company approached JoeyBats, he'd totally do it. No athlete really turns down exposure via promotional items and getting paid for it. I'm not even talking just about a lucrative shoe deal, I'm talking about any type of deal. Hell, DeRozan was doing promotional ads at the beginning of last season for Ford. Ricky Romero has an ad for Nike (very obscure, I've never seen it on the tube, I had to track it down online), and he's never been an all-star. But Bautista hasn't been shown any love locally via endorsement deals.
Baseball fans are actually a smart bunch - they'll vote guys in if they are having a decent season. Toronto fans have stuffing the ballot boxes, and it hasn't been just in Toronto - but also across Canada and in latin countries as well. He's being recognized as having a good season, by making the ASG, but that's about it. Bosh put up some real stellar seasons in Toronto as well and got voted in once and other times was on the cusp of being voted in and fell just short, so it's not like fans aren't standing up and taking notice of players.
A team being televised on Fox or ESPN Sunday night baseball is something the Jays used to be a regular on when they were winning back in the early 90s (they used to be featured on Saturday afternoon baseball on NBC in the mid-late 80s as well). When Vince was here, especially his first few seasons, NBC would televise games quite regularly on Sunday. They even got a chance to play on Christmas Day on a couple of occasions. That's good exposure.
American TV stations would televise a game involving Toronto if they were winning on a consistent basis, and not like just finishing .500, I mean, if they went to the playoffs. I guarantee the year they make the playoffs, the next season, they'll have a game or two on national televison. Hell, Cincinnati, St. Louis and San Francisco all have multiple games televised on Sunday Night Baseball and all 3 metro areas combined have a smaller population than Toronto. So, really, Basutista's All-Star success hasn't proved Chris Bosh's exposure claims to be false. Once the Jays start making appearances (or AN appearance) in the playoffs, that will change.
We should have another poll..."Do Raptor fans wish Chris Bosh (w/max. contract) were still on the team"?
[QUOTE=joey_hesketh;92739]One also has to keep in mind that what Jose Bautista is doing (and managed to do last year) is a pretty hefty feat. For any athlete, let alone a second-thought player in Toronto. For Chris Bosh to garner the same kind of attention (trying to even out the comparison), would require him to lead the League in Rebounds, and do so in a VERY convincing fashion.
If we look at Kevin Love, he is probably the PERFECT comparison point for Bautista. He managed to garner ALOT of positive attention regardless of where he plays, how well his team is doing, or what his expectations were coming into the season.
I totally agree with this comparison - and a lot of Bosh's production was a direct result of a rebounding and scoring void on the Raps. On Miami, his rebounding dropped 20% and as did his scoring by 25% with no change in minutes, once he was surrounded by quality players/scrubs in a blowout. Greatness is being the best among the best and he falls far short of this.
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