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    Default Lets not get caught in the Jonas hype just yet.

    I see many fans praising Jonas domination of Under 19 basketball tournament. He deserves those praises for playing this well but let’s not kidd ourselves. This tournament is meaningless in terms of evaluating if Jonas can be a star player in the NBA. Most of those star players in the tournament couldn't hack it as starters on above average NCAA team ( I am not saying Jonas is one of them).

    Wait until he plays the Men's tournament in the end of August before we can see any indication of NBA potential. The fact that he's 19 and playing this well among his age group is a good start.
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    I see many fans praising Jonas domination of Under 19 basketball tournament. He deserves those praises for playing this well but let’s not kidd ourselves. This tournament is meaningless in terms of evaluating if Jonas can be a star player in the NBA. Most of those star players in the tournament couldn't hack it as starters on above average NCAA team.

    Wait until he plays the Men's tournament in the end of August before we can see any indication of NBA potential. The fact that is 19 and he is playing this well among his age group is a good start.
    If he will play there at all. He is only part of the candidate list for being part of the national team. Lithuanian head coach said it doesn't matter that he is drafted, he will have to show what he can do during the preparation. Lithuania has a couple of older, stronger and more experienced centers.
    However, considering Jonas' enthusiasm and dedication for the game, he might just make it. You can watch the games live now and you can clearly see his strengths and weaknesses, we can already make some assumptions about him. I agree with you, it is a pretty good start.

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    I'm hyped because that's it's fun to be optimistic for a change. If I'm disappointed in the end at least I had the joy of being hyped...

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    I'm hyped because that's it's fun to be optimistic for a change. If I'm disappointed in the end at least I had the joy of being hyped...
    Well its best not to have a knee jerk reaction in the end. Otherwise its going to be like Bargnani "oh he ain't no the next Dirk! at best he is a less athletic version of Rashard Lewis! we been had!!"

    Jonas ain't going to be the next Pau Gasol, that's the hype.

    What is the reality is possibility of being the next Tyson Chandler or Andris Biedrins.

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    Jonas ain't going to be the next Pau Gasol, that's the hype.
    What is the reality is possibility of being the next Tyson Chandler or Andris Biedrins.
    But this is complete speculation.
    I've never heard anyone say he's going to be the next anything.
    But for you to say he's going to be so and so, or he's going to be this, is just as premature as all of us getting excited.
    You have NO idea what type of player he will become. And neither do we.

    Seems our glass is simply more half full than your glass, which is, evidently half empty.
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    [QUOTE=Hotshot;93161]Well its best not to have a knee jerk reaction in the end. Otherwise its going to be like Bargnani "oh he ain't no the next Dirk! at best he is a less athletic version of Rashard Lewis! we been had!!"

    You mean like when you and the rest of the so called Raptor's fans booed Jonas on draft night? You mean that kind of knee jerk reaction?

    Why can't you be happy that he is enjoying this success against other 19 year olds? These are supposedly the best 19 year old prospects in the world and he is eating their lunch. Why should we not be excited to see a future Raptor playing well against the best of the best from each country?

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    Quote CT2010 wrote: View Post
    Why can't you be happy that he is enjoying this success against other 19 year olds? These are supposedly the best 19 year old prospects in the world and he is eating their lunch. Why should we not be excited to see a future Raptor playing well against the best of the best from each country?
    I agree. Some of the sentiments people have about him dominating his age group are along the lines of your 10 year old kid coming home from school with an A+ on his last math exam and instead of feeling good for him you say "big deal, it's not like it was advance calculus or anything..."

    Had Jonas played horrible it would have been the end of the world in here but because he played well the board is split between elation and skepticism.

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    Well its best not to have a knee jerk reaction in the end. Otherwise its going to be like Bargnani "oh he ain't no the next Dirk! at best he is a less athletic version of Rashard Lewis! we been had!!"

    Jonas ain't going to be the next Pau Gasol, that's the hype.

    What is the reality is possibility of being the next Tyson Chandler or Andris Biedrins.
    One thing that has really impressed me, which seperates him from chandler and especially biedrins, is his free throw percentage. At this point in the tournament he is 2nd overall at 84.9% (leader is at 85%). There are a lot of great energy guys that shoot a horrible free throw percentage and become less effective at the end of games. As well, and I am no shooting technician, I would think that his mid range shot shouldn't be difficult to improve with the fundamentals being in place.

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    Are you a true Raps Fan Hotshot or just a part timer? I mean instead of saying (US RAPTORS FANS) you said Raptors fans.
    I am a true Raptor's fan, been a fan since their first game. As a fan I have a right to say what I like and what i don't like about certain topics.

    I never liked the word "us" I am just a fan like you, I am not part of the organisation because I don't work for the Raptors and I don't have a say in what they do therefore "us" does not apply.
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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    I am a true Raptor's fan, been a fan since their first game. As a fan I have a right to say what I like and what i don't like about certain topics.

    I never liked the word "us" I am just a fan like you, I am not part of the organisation because I don't work for the Raptors and I don't have a say in what they do therefore "us" does not apply.



    and you are an idiot who instead of attacking the message and debate it you are attacking the messenger because you have nothing worth while to contribute.
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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    I am a true Raptor's fan, been a fan since their first game. As a fan I have a right to say what I like and what i don't like about certain topics.

    I never liked the word "us" I am just a fan like you, I am not part of the organisation because I don't work for the Raptors and I don't have a say in what they do therefore "us" does not apply.
    Agree. As far as I know, no one on this board is a member of the Raptors, so where does anyone get off saying "we?" The towel boy that works for free so they can see games can say "we" because he is part of the organization, but when you say it, it simply says "fanboy."

    Of course, nothing wrong with being a fanboy either. But to jump on someone who is using correct English and is able to be a fan without having to identify with the team to the point where they allow themselves to fantasize that they can include themselves in the organization is lame. :-)

    As for JV, clearly he is "next."

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    I see many fans praising Jonas domination of Under 19 basketball tournament. He deserves those praises for playing this well but let’s not kidd ourselves. This tournament is meaningless in terms of evaluating if Jonas can be a star player in the NBA. Most of those star players in the tournament couldn't hack it as starters on above average NCAA team ( I am not saying Jonas is one of them).

    Wait until he plays the Men's tournament in the end of August before we can see any indication of NBA potential. The fact that he's 19 and playing this well among his age group is a good start.
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    Kid needs a gum badly but it's a start

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    Quote Hotshot wrote: View Post
    I see many fans praising Jonas domination of Under 19 basketball tournament. He deserves those praises for playing this well but let’s not kidd ourselves. This tournament is meaningless in terms of evaluating if Jonas can be a star player in the NBA. Most of those star players in the tournament couldn't hack it as starters on above average NCAA team ( I am not saying Jonas is one of them).

    Wait until he plays the Men's tournament in the end of August before we can see any indication of NBA potential. The fact that he's 19 and playing this well among his age group is a good start.
    Well, the domination is against... his peers. Men you say, ummm, does Euroleague count? He's 19 right? How would you feel if he was struggling against other 19 year-olds? Should we temper our excitement then?
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    Well, the domination is against... his peers. Men you say, ummm, does Euroleague count? He's 19 right? How would you feel if he was struggling against other 19 year-olds? Should we temper our excitement then?
    Euroleague does count, but we only have stats from when he was 18 year old and he didn't get many minutes.

    If he was struggling against other 19 year olds, there wasn't going to be any excitement to begin with. However it wouldn't automatically indicate he would be a total fail. Pau gasol averaged just 5 points and 3.5 rebounds in his Under 19 tournement.

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    He's playing well against very good talent. That US team is better than most a lot of mid level NCAA teams and most of the other teams are pretty good. And he is destroying them all.
    This is exciting!
    No one is saying he is is going to be the best player in the league or an all star but it is nice to see our guy dominating very high level competition. If he plays in the men's championship that will be a better indication of how he'll do in the league initially but it's nice to see this.

    Edit: K I guess some folks are saying he's going to be a monster right away.
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    We're not getting excited because all of a sudden Jonas is NBA ROY, MVP etc.
    We're getting excited because he is one of our own, and as a Fan of the team (and subsequently our players) then I have every right to buy into the Hype, and am able to think and believe anything I like.

    The hustle and Determination I see from this kid has nothing to do with who he is playing against.
    His Heart, has nothing to do with who he is playing against.
    The stats may mean nothing, and maybe this tournament "is meaningless", but it is allowing most of us our first glance of a type of player that we have not seen in a VERY long time.

    I'm buying all the hype I can get. Putting that shit lay away I'm buying so much.

    Remember last year when Demar was killing it in Summer League, and some people were saying "Don't get to excited, it's only Summer League" ... In my opinion, this whole "Don't get excited, yet" attititude is for the people who aren't truly invested in the Raps as a team. Raptors fans should be excited, and should be happy about the way our Rookie is playing on a World Wide Stage. This is a legit World Championship, and seeing as I'm a fan of the game, and a fan of Jonas, then I will buy into the Hype.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    We're not getting excited because all of a sudden Jonas is NBA ROY, MVP etc.
    We're getting excited because he is one of our own, and as a Fan of the team (and subsequently our players) then I have every right to buy into the Hype, and am able to think and believe anything I like.

    The hustle and Determination I see from this kid has nothing to do with who he is playing against.
    His Heart, has nothing to do with who he is playing against.
    The stats may mean nothing, and maybe this tournament "is meaningless", but it is allowing most of us our first glance of a type of player that we have not seen in a VERY long time.

    I'm buying all the hype I can get. Putting that shit lay away I'm buying so much.

    Remember last year when Demar was killing it in Summer League, and some people were saying "Don't get to excited, it's only Summer League" ... In my opinion, this whole "Don't get excited, yet" attititude is for the people who aren't truly invested in the Raps as a team. Raptors fans should be excited, and should be happy about the way our Rookie is playing on a World Wide Stage. This is a legit World Championship, and seeing as I'm a fan of the game, and a fan of Jonas, then I will buy into the Hype.
    If you don't mind.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Remember last year when Demar was killing it in Summer League, and some people were saying "Don't get to excited, it's only Summer League" ... In my opinion, this whole "Don't get excited, yet" attititude is for the people who aren't truly invested in the Raps as a team. Raptors fans should be excited, and should be happy about the way our Rookie is playing on a World Wide Stage. This is a legit World Championship, and seeing as I'm a fan of the game, and a fan of Jonas, then I will buy into the Hype.
    If you don't mind.
    I don't mean don't get excited when if Jonas is doing well but there are those who are already writing songs and salvating about him as if he is going to be the next saviour of the franchise. Let the kid grow and be excited too if he just ends up averaging close to a double double in the NBA. Raptor fans are really good at hyping their athlete's but when reality sets in they come out of the woodwork when their precious stud doesn't quite become the player they envisioned.

    I blame Vince Carter for this, that S.O.B came in looking like the next Jordan but after 3 seasons became a hasbeen nightmare.

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