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    There have been a quite few names thrown around for NBA comparisons to Jonas. Everything from Chandler to Ilgauskus. I always enjoy reading the mocks "best case/worst case scenario" ahead of the draft, mostly because I haven't watched enough of the guy to get a handle myself. However, now after watching some of the tournament (and I am hoping you are not just watching highlights), who do you see as being the most likely statistical comparison for Jonas' NBA career?

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    Best case = Andris Biedrins Meets Joakim Noah
    Worst Case = Omer Asik

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    Personally, and this is after watching about 3 complete games (call me an expert), he reminds me of Noah the most. Jonas' free throw percentage is better, but there are some definite similarities (passion, rebounding, intangibles). He even kind of runs like him... picture him with a pony tail and patchy beard.
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    I think Valanciunas is going to be better offensively than either Biedrins or Noah. I would think 15 ppg is probably what he'll end up averaging. He just seems to have better offensive awareness and touch than Noah or Biedrins.
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    He's waaay ahead of Biedrins and Noah offensively. I still say he's a Tyson Chandler with way better offense imo.

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    You do not need to limit your choices to the examples given in the opening thread. I am curious to hear a better comparison that doesn't need adjustment (i.e. - Noah with a better shot).

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    A more versatile, athletic Bogut would be my best guess. The only knock on him would be his weight.

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    Quote DG88 wrote: View Post
    He's waaay ahead of Biedrins and Noah offensively. I still say he's a Tyson Chandler with way better offense imo.
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    The Noah one is good but like other have said, he is much better offensively than Noah. Maybe someone like Vlade Divac? His skill set is like Dwight Howard's but instead of ridiculous athleticism, he has a much better touch.
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    The Noah one is good but like other have said, he is much better offensively than Noah. Maybe someone like Vlade Divac? His skill set is like Dwight Howard's but instead of ridiculous athleticism, he has a much better touch.
    You know, after watching him in the U19, Dwight Howard also came to mind for me. Obviously, he's nowhere near the physical specimen Howard is, but there was just something about his play that reminded me of him. They're both so relentless, but maybe it also has something to do with both averaging 20 ppg with very few offensive skills.
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    The Noah one is good but like other have said, he is much better offensively than Noah. Maybe someone like Vlade Divac? His skill set is like Dwight Howard's but instead of ridiculous athleticism, he has a much better touch.
    Vlade was a much better passer and averaged 8.2 rebounds for his career (I think jonas will beat that). We still haven't found a guy that shot free throws at the clip Jonas is. I understand that Howard scores without much offensive game; however, that is where the comparison stops for me. Howard's game is built around his athleticism and strength... both of those things could be considered weaknesses for Jonas.

    I feel like there is a better comparison out there... just can't put my finger on it.

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    Well Team USA coach Paul Hewitt had a good one: "He went Rambo on us in the second half."

    I'm hesitant to compare him to a Young Sabonis, but if you watch this clip:


    You might agree that as young men, their games are eerily similar. It's that touch and feel around the basket. The heart. The competitiveness. The hustle down low. The explosive dunks. It's all there. (Keep in mind I'm comparing them as young men [first couple minutes of the clip], and not the older, more polished Sabonis in his Hall of Fame years.)
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    he's... not the next andrea bargnani. i can tell you that.
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    Quote matt wrote: View Post
    A more versatile, athletic Bogut would be my best guess. The only knock on him would be his weight.
    I agree, he seems very Bogut-ish in potential, size and skill right now. I don't think the weight is a knock. He's what, 240 and he just turned 19 or something? Remember he's a big so growth spurts have probably made it hard to keep weight on. Then consider Tyson Chandler is listed at 235 (though I think that number has to be old on nba.com and he's probably closer to 250 or more)...I think Val will definitely get bigger, and it won't be hard. This is not a case of Bosh or Biedrins where guys stay skinny. I think Val will end up somewhere between 250 and 270 easily.

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    Quote matt wrote: View Post
    A more versatile, athletic Bogut would be my best guess. The only knock on him would be his weight.
    People keep saying this, but he weighs more than Noah already and no one is talking about him adding weight. That is not to say that he couldn't stand to put a few pounds of muscle on. But i am interested to know no one mentions the other 220 - 235 pound centers out there currently playing in the league.

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    what about the next Karl Malone... only taller, leaner... but the same kind of pick and roll game... and rebounding skills.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I'm hesitant to compare him to a Young Sabonis, but if you watch this clip:

    You might agree that as young men, their games are eerily similar. It's that touch and feel around the basket. The heart. The competitiveness. The hustle down low. The explosive dunks. It's all there. (Keep in mind I'm comparing them as young men [first couple minutes of the clip], and not the older, more polished Sabonis in his Hall of Fame years.)
    Wow. The young Sabonis was SKINNY! It's been a while since I saw pre-NBA Sabonis. I forgot just how mobile he was. And man was he a good passer. I would have loved to have seen him come to the NBA ten years earlier.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I agree, he seems very Bogut-ish in potential, size and skill right now. I don't think the weight is a knock. He's what, 240 and he just turned 19 or something? Remember he's a big so growth spurts have probably made it hard to keep weight on. Then consider Tyson Chandler is listed at 235 (though I think that number has to be old on nba.com and he's probably closer to 250 or more)...I think Val will definitely get bigger, and it won't be hard. This is not a case of Bosh or Biedrins where guys stay skinny. I think Val will end up somewhere between 250 and 270 easily.
    His problem is not weight, but strength. Young guys don't generally have the strength that older guys do. And it's not just strength but knowledge of how to use it. That all comes with time. I think he'll probably end up gaining 10-20 lbs, just looking at him, but I think strength is more important.
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    Jonas Val can be the next Jonas Val.....this looks very promising: (Raps fans need something to be excited about, and might as well be our future 5)

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    he's... not the next andrea bargnani. i can tell you that.
    Hahah Great point. They really are Polar Opposites. Which, who knows, might turn out to be quite complimentary. Assuming we keep Il Mago. Although with Ed Davis and Jonas Val set to be a dominant, controlling 4-5, I'm not sure theres room for Bargs.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Wow. The young Sabonis was SKINNY! It's been a while since I saw pre-NBA Sabonis. I forgot just how mobile he was. And man was he a good passer. I would have loved to have seen him come to the NBA ten years earlier.
    Well he came to the NBA when he was like 25 I think, but Russia certainly did hold him back for a few years.

    But ya, he was a mobile, athletic 7 footer, not unlike Jonas. The NBA never even got the best Sabonis there was. His entire NBA career was post-Achilles injury, which pretty much hampered him the rest of the way.

    I imagine people were on him to put on some weight as well in his early days. Perhaps with the injury, he put too much on, and from there, never got his step back. Regardless, he was as dominant a center the international game has ever seen, and it translated fantastically to the NBA level. And in article on FIBA.com, the author goes on to say that Jonas is the most Dominant Center FIBA has ever seen, since Age-Specific tournaments began. Thats quite the praise.
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    If My Name is Jonas is close to Noah, then he is the perfect compliment to Andrea (you better believe he is never gonna be traded). Aggressive defender, tenacious rebounder and can take it to the hoop hard when needed, that is exactly what Andrea needs beside him. I truly love that comparison, especially since he is already a better shooter than Noah

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