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    Default Official: Stefanski VP of Basketball Operations (#116)

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    Three candidates have emerged as frontrunners for the Toronto Raptors’ general manager job, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

    Former New Orleans Hornets GM Jeff Bower, Philadelphia 76ers GM Ed Stefanski and San Antonio assistant GM Dennis Lindsey are three focuses of the franchise to work under Toronto president Bryan Colangelo, sources said.
    Even though I know very little about Lindsey, he is my choice based on the fact that he is associated with the Spurs. The article does say that he has turned down 2 other jobs in the past few years... why does he take this one? Especially if this is the case...
    Colangelo would keep final say in basketball operations, and it’s unclear how much, if any, autonomy a GM would have under him. Colangelo has always been hands-on with his coaching staffs and active in trade talks and deals. Toronto has missed the playoffs for two straight years. After losing Chris Bosh(notes) to free agency in the summer of 2010, the Raptors won 22 games last season.
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    when did talks of a new GM start?

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    Quote ATT wrote: View Post
    when did talks of a new GM start?
    Quote report-colangelo-has-favourites-in-bid-to-boost-front-office wrote:
    For a number of months, the word has been that Colangelo, the Raptors president and general manager, was considering, if the right candidate came along, dropping the GM portion of his portfolio – at least in title – and handing it to somebody else.
    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/15...t-front-office

    We'll see how it turns out. It sounds like Ed Stefanski from Philadelphia 76ers would be a good option. He helped NJ turn into two time conference champs. He could help make some good trades that could put us in a much better position. We would have Colangelo who overlooks the entire situation and approves such deals. This is a wonderful idea to bring in another GM to help out in the rebuilding stage.

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    Quote Ambidextrious wrote: View Post
    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/15...t-front-office

    We'll see how it turns out. It sounds like Ed Stefanski from Philadelphia 76ers would be a good option. He helped NJ turn into two time conference champs. He could help make some good trades that could put us in a much better position. We would have Colangelo who overlooks the entire situation and approves such deals. This is a wonderful idea to bring in another GM to help out in the rebuilding stage.
    While he did some good things in New Jersey, Stefanski was responsible for some pretty bad moves in Philly, including overpaying an injured Elton Brand, who didn't fit in with the style of play, trading Reggie Evans for Jason Kapono, nd signing Iguodala to that ridiculous contract.
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    Even though I know very little about Lindsey, he is my choice based on the fact that he is associated with the Spurs. The article does say that he has turned down 2 other jobs in the past few years... why does he take this one? Especially if this is the case...
    Danny Ferry was also from the Spurs organization, and he did a horrible job in Cleveland. Lindsey might be a great choice, but just because he's from the Spurs organization doesn't make him the next RC Buford. Or Sam Presti.
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    Of these three:

    Stefanski does not interest me for the reasons Tim mentioned and more. Here is his track record in Philadelphia:
    http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/ed_stefanski.htm In his defense, he did do a pretty good job in NJ.

    There is nothing spectacular about Bower's tenure in NO:
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...owerje99x.html


    With BC having final say, I would not mind giving Lindsey a shot. However, he has turned down opportunities in PHX and MIN and would not be given full autonomy according to article so I am not sure he would be willing.

    I'd much rather be talking about players than management though.

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    What is Bryan Colangelo if not President and GM of this team?

    If he's looking to hire a GM, why is he making any comments or decisions on player personnel when a new GM would (should) have the autonomy to build this team as they see fit?

    Why did he hire a new coach if he's looking for a new GM? Wouldn't that have been their first order of business?

    What are we currently paying BC? I have heard no news of the financial details of his extension, but was he extended to be Presidnet/GM or just President of the team?

    What GM in their right mind woud want the challenge of taking over this roster Colangelo has put together?

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Danny Ferry was also from the Spurs organization, and he did a horrible job in Cleveland. Lindsey might be a great choice, but just because he's from the Spurs organization doesn't make him the next RC Buford. Or Sam Presti.
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    Quote Ambidextrious wrote: View Post
    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/15...t-front-office

    We'll see how it turns out. It sounds like Ed Stefanski from Philadelphia 76ers would be a good option. He helped NJ turn into two time conference champs. He could help make some good trades that could put us in a much better position. We would have Colangelo who overlooks the entire situation and approves such deals. This is a wonderful idea to bring in another GM to help out in the rebuilding stage.
    In the Toronto Sun article you've posted it mentions that:

    "That wouldn’t mean the new addition would have final say though. While a fan of a consensus, brainstorming approach, Colangelo has always been an executive who gets the final word and that would not change."

    Is this a joke? You're hiring a GM that wouldn't have the final say on player personnel? What are you hiring a GM for, as precedence has indicted that is EXACTLY the job of the GM on the other 31 teams in the league.

    LOL. This is getting to be comical and it amazes me why no one calls Colangelo out on this kind of stuff. To me it's a way of insualting oneself so when things are good (if they become good) they can take credit, but if things go awry they can blame the new guy, who in essence is an "idea contributor". lol

    If Colangelo is the final word he should wear and continue to wear the GM hat and be responsible for this roster he has assembled. Bring in a consultant if you want more "brain storming". Hiring a GM who wouldn't have final say makes no sense to me and reeks of political posturing.

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    What is Bryan Colangelo if not President and GM of this team?

    If he's looking to hire a GM, why is he making any comments or decisions on player personnel when a new GM would (should) have the autonomy to build this team as they see fit?

    Why did he hire a new coach if he's looking for a new GM? Wouldn't that have been their first order of business?

    What are we currently paying BC? I have heard no news of the financial details of his extension, but was he extended to be Presidnet/GM or just President of the team?

    What GM in their right mind woud want the challenge of taking over this roster Colangelo has put together?
    well, for starters, anyone who thinks that whatever 'GM' is hired is going to have any semblance of 'autonomy' or legit say in personnel simply has their head in the sand. which, IMO, rules out the only one of the above 3 i'd want as GM (Lindsay), because he's not leaving the spurs where, as an assistant GM, he has more authority than he will as 'GM' of the raptors. to me, the whole idea of BC hiring a GM (and remaining as president) is silly, since only those drunk on the kool-aid would think for a second that said GM would be anything more than a puppet/figure-head/lightning rod for criticism.
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    i'm no Colangelo hater, but for some reason this stinks of him hiring a scapegoat who'll be nothing more than his glorified understudy who takes all the media pressure off of him, while letting him still run the show from behind the curtain

    Like, whoever is hired.... they're basically the US President.... and Colangelo is the big oil companies.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    i'm no Colangelo hater, but for some reason this stinks of him hiring a scapegoat who'll be nothing more than his glorified understudy who takes all the media pressure off of him, while letting him still run the show from behind the curtain

    Like, whoever is hired.... they're basically the US President.... and Colangelo is the big oil companies.
    I always thought it was the banks running the Oval office.

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    Bower seemed to have a positive buzz but I haven't really followed New Orleans that closely.

    Stefanski is pretty much a train wreck. However, caveat: sometimes these guys get pressured or get in over their head.

    Dunno anything about Lindsey. Keep in mind that Danny Ferry worked for RC Buford too.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I always thought it was the banks running the Oval office.
    lol.... could be... but i was thinking specifically of George W Bush and the Gulf War when i typed that

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    lol.... could be... but i was thinking specifically of George W Bush and the Gulf War when i typed that
    Maybe for George Dub-ya but the banks are leading Owe-bama around by his male-bits.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Maybe for George Dub-ya but the banks are leading Owe-bama around by his male-bits.
    either way, the US president is basically Howdy Doody on the knees of "Big Money"

    just like i think this new "GM" will be

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    Quote sleepz wrote: View Post
    Is this a joke? You're hiring a GM that wouldn't have the final say on player personnel? What are you hiring a GM for, as precedence has indicted that is EXACTLY the job of the GM on the other 31 teams in the league.
    What two new expansion teams are you including in that poignant analysis?

    Also, this isn't that much different from what Chicago did with Paxson and Forman. Only after the Paxson-Del Negro incident did Forman get more say as GM.

    In the end, you're making way too big a deal over labels.

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    While putting players on the court is definitely the biggest job of running a franchise, a GM or President of Basketball Operations has much more than this.

    Here is an article from 2003 (dated, I now) following Billy Knight (then GM with the 76ers) for a day: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_111306266/

    At the end of the day, the GM usually reports a trade to someone above (President or owner). There are very few dual role presidents and GM's in the league that I am aware of - Popovich was once president and GM but dropped GM duties for coaching but has retained president. I'm struggling to think of another besides BC.

    Also remember the Calderon trade last summer? The GM's had it done until.....

    I am not aware of Ujiri ever being replaced - is this Ujiri's replacement with assistant dropped from the title? Would the Raps create better candidates advertising for a GM job rather than an Asst GM job?

    Is BC trying to remove himself from the public eye?

    Is this another move to re-create the culture of the franchise moving forward? Hiring Casey was a good start.

    Colangelo has been known to surround himself with many basketball minds. Having many differing opinions certainly is a better way to make a decision than all on your own. At the end of the day, titles really don't matter as long as people know who is boss - in Toronto's case there is no doubt it is Colangelo. In San Antonio it is Popovich. In Charlotte it is Jordan. etc. etc.

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    I'm sure there's a ton of stuff that Coangelo is responsible for as Pres and GM. Having someone do the day to day gm operations is not a bad idea.
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    Bryan Colangelo has been in this situation for, although the role was reversed. In Phoenix, his dad called all the shots even though young Bryan was the "GM".

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