The sad thing is that in 2006, on draft night, Colangelo was trying to get a 2nd pick in position to claim Rondo but couldn't get a deal done.
The Hawks were one of the other rumored lotto teams interested in Bargnani.
The paragraph on Bargnani hits the nail smack dab in the middle of the head:
"As the top overall pick, Bargs has developed a bit of a love/hate relationship with the fans in Toronto. His offensive skill set, for a man his size, is undeniably impressive. His defense on the other hand, leaves A LOT to be desired. Many Raptor fans were hoping for a breakout campaign last season, and while he did score over 21 points for the first time in his career, he shot below 45% from the floor, and saw his rebounds drop to 5.2 rpg. In addition, after blocking 1.4 shots per game in 2009-2010, Bargnani swatted just 0.7 per contest last season. He still young and still possesses plenty of upside; but can he develop a killer instinct and dominate?"
There is no no need to further discuss Bargnani worth/worthlessness until he plays a few more games. But then what will we discuss?
Hmmm. I'm one of those guys that woulda taken LA over Rondo.
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My impression of Rondo is that he would not be the player that he is if he was drafted by a different team. The reason Rondo is so good is because of the talent around him. It is easy to pile up assists when you have players like Allen, Pierce and Garnet to pass to. As for rebounds, that is also easier when the Celtics do an outstanding job on boxing out, and a lot of the rebounds that Rondo gets are freebies.
I'm not saying that he's not a worthy all-star. I think he's a great player, but on a team like the Raptors I really don't see him being as good as he is on the Celtics.
My vote would have been for Aldridge as well.
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Rondo's biggest asset isn't even in his play making ability, which is great. It's his defense. The guy is the best defensive PG in the league hands down.
I also wasn't talking about the other end of the court, because absolutely the blow-bys were going both ways! haha I think his jumper leaves a lot to be desired and the fact that he is often the 4th or 5th option on offense and is usually playing with at least 3 future HOF'ers, makes his offensive game look much better than it actually is.
For the record, I think Rondo is a good player. I just don't think he would ever enter into a "he should have been taken 1st overall" conversation if it weren't for the team he has played on.
The thing I hate about articles like this one, is that facts/viewpoints constantly change. For example, until everybody found out that Roy's knees were shot, there were growing hysterics about why the Raptors picked Bargnani over Roy. Today it's another player that the Raptors should have picked... if Rondo develops chronic injuries or the Celtics big-3's decline continues, there'll be another "shoulda, coulda, woulda" player de jour... Plus, considering a Raptors team without Bosh is a further unfair use of hindsight...
For me, the 2006 draft came down to a choice between Bargnani and Roy. Roy was the superior wing player, with both skills and ceiling expected to exceed both Gay and Foye. Aldridge was the superior big, but the Raptors had been chastised in the past for drafting backup PF with high draft picks (Charlie V, anybody?) to play behind Bosh, so he was all but out.
I think it came down to supply & demand; there are a lot more athletic wing players available via trade, free agency and drafting, than there are Nowitski clones... as Bargnani was being touted back then, given his size and skill set. Very few players are drafted with a look at defense over offense, so it really shouldn't be that much of a surprise that 5 years later, Bargnani is an offensively skilled big with significant defensive/rebounding deficiencies.
The only legit "do over" scenario I could believe is the drafting of Roy, but look where that would have taken the team! It is totally unfair to say the Raptors should have drafted Gay/Foye over Roy, unless you magically knew his knees were going to give out. It's just as unfair to say the Raptors should have drafted Aldridge, unless you magically knew Bosh would leave the team four seasons later! And players like Rondo, who slide past every team and weren't a legit discussion for the top pick at the time, is complete unrealistic 20/20 hindsight (without even taking into account the fact that I personally think Rondo is extremely overrated).
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As for the draft I remember the main discussion being 4 players.
Gay - but drafting him at 1 was reaching
Roy - but his knees were a concern
Aldridge - but the team already had bosh
Bargnani - therefore was the best choice
except for Roy's knees, none of it turned out to be true. (and I would have taken 4 years of Roy before his knee injuries over 5 years of what Bargnani has given the team)
As for Rondo, its incredibly difficult to argue that he wouldn't be as good if he was on a different team. Its the same thing when people argue 'good players' are overrated because they are the best player on a bad team. Bosh and Pau were often compared that way, both one of the top PFs in the league, but only that good becaue they were good players on bad teams. Pau went to LA and flourished, Bosh went to Miami and looked worse. Deron Williams went from a good team (at the time) Utah to NJ and while his shooting % dropped due to his injury, he set new career highs in assists, steals and rebounds.
The guy is the best (or atleast top 2) defensive PGs. Top 5 in assists for the last 3 years. Could be the quickest player in the league and is tough and intense competitor. Did Boston help create some of that? Maybe. Will he be any worse or better by being on a different team? I bet the change in marginal at best. We aren't talking about a situational player here (ex Kapono).. we are talking about what has arguably been the best player on a contending team
Interesting article but you cant fault BC for taking Bargs. With hindsight, of course you can do every redraft with the top lottery teams coming up on top.
I actually still like BC pick for taking Bargs. heres why?
If i remember correctly, the top 3 picks to chose from were LA, Rudy, and Bargs. Brandon Roy was a definite no, because of his history with injury problems, which is evident to this day. Rudy was a projected top pick going into the 2005/2006 season and everyone knew he was going to be a good player but not a great player which is true. Rondo was an obvious no because of his non shooting ability. I think he was slated for a late lottery anyways due to that. And LA was not going to get picked because we had bosh and he was projected to be a bosh type player anyways.
So whats left? Bargs. Imagine if we got the other top 5 players outside of LA; Tyrus, Sheldon, Adam Morrison.
Raptors had 2 picks in this draft... I wanted them to take Denham Brown... However BC wasted the pick with P.J Tuker
Strengths: Has a great combination of strength and athleticism ... Intense competitor ... Scores a lot of baskets by overpowering defenders with his tremendous body strength ... Plays with a lot of toughness. Extremely aggresive, intimidates opponents with his nasty demeanor ... Explosive leaping ability and has the strength to go inside and finish ... Strong one on one skills and looks to drive to the basket ... His ability to create shots for himself off the dribble has improved ... Strong defender ... Tremendous rebounder for a 6-5 player ... Great speed in the open court ... Free throw shooting has shown steady improvement ...
Weaknesses: Scores the majority of his points close to the basket ... Lacks a 3 point shot and any real range on his shot ... His passing ability has shown some improvement but he lacks great vision to find teammates off the dribble ... Can be selfish at times looking only for shots for himself ... Lacks great skills for a guard and great size for a small forward ...
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