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    Raptor fans have to get over this sensitivity. I'd love for one player to say he didn't want to be drafted by Toronto because the fans act like scorned girlfriends at the tiniest hint of a slight.

    Nothing shouts insecurity than caring whether a guy hates customs, or not.
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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    Even if they make a lot of money, the draft is still a weird system; I know I'd be totally against any system where I would not be able to decide where I want to work. I wouldn't want to work at the other side of the country and I live in a small one, let alone living hunderds of miles or more away from your family and friends. Not everybody loves that. Of course the drafting system has many positives, but that's not one of them.

    Normally players just give the 'correct' answer, as they were probably tought to do at some mediatraining. And when they don't, we get all upset and sometimes even enraged. We'd rather have them be humble and be glad to play anywhere and stuff, which means we'd rather have them keeping up appearances. I have no problem whatsoever with players saying what they think about playing somewhere and I'd still want us to draft them if it was the right basketball choice; they'll get over it. They certainly will if customs is the 'big' problem.

    Btw, he did crack a smile...

    correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think a player is required to enter the draft. They could wait a period of time and then work out for an individual team, but they would miss out on alot of money in the mean time.

    The draft is incredibly important to helping keep the league competitive. If rookies were always able to choose who did and didn't draft them and who they would play for, you'd be left with a very lopsided league. And while there is something to be said for having "dynasty" teams, some level of parity helps ensure league security

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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Raptor fans have to get over this sensitivity. I'd love for one player to say he didn't want to be drafted by Toronto because the fans act like scorned girlfriends at the tiniest hint of a slight.

    Nothing shouts insecurity than caring whether a guy hates customs, or not.
    I do agree, but "I'd be upset if they drafted me" is a bit more than a 'hint of a slight'.
    He could have handled this answer 100 different ways, but chose THE ONE way that would upset any fanbase.
    Just goes to show how immature this kid is.

    You think a guy like Barnes would say something like that?
    Not a chance.
    Joking or not, it means something to the fans; and ANY fanbase would react the same way had this been said about their team.
    Previous slights or not.

    And saying "Raptor fans have to get over this sensitivity" is far too general.
    Like I said, his comments would insite the exact same reaction from ANY fanbase, so I'm not sure this has anything to do with being overly sensitive because of previous wrong-doings by other players.
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    Quote GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think a player is required to enter the draft. They could wait a period of time and then work out for an individual team, but they would miss out on alot of money in the mean time.

    The draft is incredibly important to helping keep the league competitive. If rookies were always able to choose who did and didn't draft them and who they would play for, you'd be left with a very lopsided league. And while there is something to be said for having "dynasty" teams, some level of parity helps ensure league security
    Completely agree; that's why I said that the system has many positives. That's why in Europe only the rich football teams are competitive; in our national league most teams will never ever ever have a chance to compete for a championship and as it is now, with Spanish and English teams investing millions and millions (it's quite normal to buy a player from another team for 40 million euros or more) while being in depth for hunderds of millions, no team in our nation will be able to compete on the European level even though we have teams with a great history.

    And yet the positives do not mean it's not still a system where a 'starting' employee has no control over their job location. It also doesn't mean that those players somehow like that automatically, even if they get paid a lot. I would think it's only normal to have preferences where to play and where not to play. We just want them not to talk about it and pretend like they don't.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    I do agree, but "I'd be upset if they drafted me" is a bit more than a 'hint of a slight'.
    He could have handled this answer 100 different ways, but chose THE ONE way that would upset any fanbase.
    Just goes to show how immature this kid is.

    You think a guy like Barnes would say something like that?
    Not a chance.
    Joking or not, it means something to the fans; and ANY fanbase would react the same way had this been said about their team.
    Previous slights or not.

    And saying "Raptor fans have to get over this sensitivity" is far too general.
    Like I said, his comments would insite the exact same reaction from ANY fanbase, so I'm not sure this has anything to do with being overly sensitive because of previous wrong-doings by other players.
    It was one quote and none of us knows whether there was something else behind it, whether he meant it or whether it was a joke. Yet people are saying they don't want to draft him because of it. Remember how people came down on Kanter when there was a RUMOUR that he wouldn't work out for the Raptors. A rumour that turned out to be false.

    On a similar, but different (??) note, I remember back in the 90s when David Duchovney was on David Letterman and jokingly commented about the rain in Vancouver. You should have seen the firestorm here. How DARE you complain, blah, blah, blah! The problem is that EVERYONE here complains about the rain, just as people in Toronto complain about the cold in the winter and heat in the summer. It was embarrassing and made Vancouver look petty and small.

    Raptor fans are overly sensitive when it comes to criticism of Toronto and Canada. I really don't think you can argue otherwise.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    It was one quote and none of us knows whether there was something else behind it, whether he meant it or whether it was a joke. Yet people are saying they don't want to draft him because of it. Remember how people came down on Kanter when there was a RUMOUR that he wouldn't work out for the Raptors. A rumour that turned out to be false.

    On a similar, but different (??) note, I remember back in the 90s when David Duchovney was on David Letterman and jokingly commented about the rain in Vancouver. You should have seen the firestorm here. How DARE you complain, blah, blah, blah! The problem is that EVERYONE here complains about the rain, just as people in Toronto complain about the cold in the winter and heat in the summer. It was embarrassing and made Vancouver look petty and small.

    Raptor fans are overly sensitive when it comes to criticism of Toronto and Canada. I really don't think you can argue otherwise.

    no we aren't i think vancouver fans are a lot more worse than Toronto fans any day(the riot). If the Leafs or the raptors lost the finals i don't think fans would go out on the street destroyin shit.

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    Quote GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think a player is required to enter the draft. They could wait a period of time and then work out for an individual team, but they would miss out on alot of money in the mean time.

    The draft is incredibly important to helping keep the league competitive. If rookies were always able to choose who did and didn't draft them and who they would play for, you'd be left with a very lopsided league. And while there is something to be said for having "dynasty" teams, some level of parity helps ensure league security
    A player is eligible for the draft when they turn 22, even if they don't want to be.

    And it's not as if the NBA is making players play and live in these cities. They are free to go anywhere they like. They can play in Europe or in their local Y league. If they want to play in the NBA, they have to follow the rules.

    Is it fair that if I want to be an actor on network television, I can't go anywhere and do it? Or if I want to run for Federal Government I have to spend half the time in Ottawa?

    No one is forcing these players to play in the NBA. For the amount of money they are making, it's a tradeoff. And not a bad one.
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    no we aren't i think vancouver fans are a lot more worse than Toronto fans any day(the riot). If the Leafs or the raptors lost the finals i don't think fans would go out on the street destroyin shit.
    I'm not sure what rioting has to do with anything. I'm speaking about fans being sensitive to anything they perceive as a slight. And I'm actually from Toronto, originally, so it's not like I'm going on hearsay. Remember when Antonio Davis mentioned the metric system?

    As for the riot, I don't like hockey, anyway, but from what I gather that riot had as much to do with the hockey game as the English riots had to do with the shooting.
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    A player is eligible for the draft when they turn 22, even if they don't want to be.

    And it's not as if the NBA is making players play and live in these cities. They are free to go anywhere they like. They can play in Europe or in their local Y league. If they want to play in the NBA, they have to follow the rules.

    Is it fair that if I want to be an actor on network television, I can't go anywhere and do it? Or if I want to run for Federal Government I have to spend half the time in Ottawa?

    No one is forcing these players to play in the NBA. For the amount of money they are making, it's a tradeoff. And not a bad one.
    Absolutely. No mention of unfair here. Only that they won't view every draft town or team with the same enthousiasm and that's ok with me. Because the system is like this if you want to play at the highest level doesn't mean they have to act all lovingly to every team.
    They all get asked about their feelings towards playing here or there all the time and they all have to give sweet answers or we start crying about it. We don't want honesty, please fool us with your 'correctspeak'.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    Absolutely. No mention of unfair here. Only that they won't view every draft town or team with the same enthousiasm and that's ok with me. Because the system is like this if you want to play at the highest level doesn't mean they have to act all lovingly to every team.
    They all get asked about their feelings towards playing here or there all the time and they all have to give sweet answers or we start crying about it. We don't want honesty, please fool us with your 'correctspeak'.
    Very good point. It seems people would rather be lied to, as long as they don't hear criticisms of their city. I mean, who the hell would really choose Minnesota?
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    As for the riot, I don't like hockey, anyway, but from what I gather that riot had as much to do with the hockey game as the English riots had to do with the shooting.
    Hahah Soo the first 10 minutes then?
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Hahah Soo the first 10 minutes then?
    When guys show up already prepared with masks and incendiary devices, I think it's pretty safe to say they already knew what they were going to do.
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    on the flipside i would be upset if we drafted perry jones

    (i didn't read the thread i apologize if that joke was made already)
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    Quote Tim W. wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure what rioting has to do with anything. I'm speaking about fans being sensitive to anything they perceive as a slight. And I'm actually from Toronto, originally, so it's not like I'm going on hearsay. Remember when Antonio Davis mentioned the metric system?
    to be fair, most people weren't upset with antonio davis for that... it was less "how dare he say that!?!?!" and more "oh jesus christ, he's an idiot"

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    And saying "Raptor fans have to get over this sensitivity" is far too general.
    Like I said, his comments would insite the exact same reaction from ANY fanbase, so I'm not sure this has anything to do with being overly sensitive because of previous wrong-doings by other players.
    Well fanbases in general have the mentality of a 12 year old, so those comments would probably incite the same sort of reaction, but Raptors fans (and Torontonians in general) are very insecure and get easily offended at the stupidest shite.

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    Quote nubreed000 wrote: View Post
    Well fanbases in general have the mentality of a 12 year old, so those comments would probably incite the same sort of reaction, but Raptors fans (and Torontonians in general) are very insecure and get easily offended at the stupidest shite.
    grouptherapy?

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    I bet Jones got hassled (or hassled in his mind at least) when he came through customs on this trip and that was still fresh in his mind when he said this crap. Or, he's a dumbass. Neither story would be overly shocking to me.

    Although it does set up a potential Steve Francis-esque draft night meltdown if the Raptors decide to take him next year, so that's kind of exciting.

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    Maybe I'm being too cynical here, but I think one thing we should consider is that these players, even before going pro, are pampered and spoiled beyond what we as average normal people might define being spoiled and pampered.

    And as a result, some of these guys may be used to getting things when they want them, and quickly. Waiting in line at security/customs for an hour might feel like an "inconvenience" for us but for these spoiled kids it could feel like torture.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    grouptherapy?
    Nah, everyone should just stop being such pansies, but it's unlikely that that will happen since most western society has been conditioned to be just that.

    Anywho...you guys ever notice that it's only black basketball players that seem to have a problem with playing in Canada?

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    Quote nubreed000 wrote: View Post
    Anywho...you guys ever notice that it's only black basketball players that seem to have a problem with playing in Canada?
    Careful ... hahaha
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