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Thread: Vick signs $100M contact with Eagles... Are you happy for him?

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    Exactly.

    And if you think about it, any other employable position where you work with kids, you are required to pass a Criminal Record Check. Why not those who likely have a far bigger impact on a kids life.

    Heck, in the states, it's not even just with Kids. You need to pass Drug Tests and Criminal Tests to work at McDonalds! haha
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    It's not a law though, that's McDonald's public policy. It's on the NFL to block such people from entering the league and instead they publicly wag the finger and then proceed to cash in. The only time they take a united stance on players is when the player's great talents have diminished and they can no longer make money of him. If Vick had torn his ACL in prison and it was out that he no longer could be a mobile QB you'd have seen a league-wide stance against him, suggesting that the teams don't condone his actions and won't sign him. Although Allen Iverson and Randy Moss were not criminals, only locker room cancers, they are prime examples of the concept.

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    very happy with the signing and with the free agent signings we should make a deep run this year!

    nnamdi asomugha, jason babin, trent cole, mike patterson, jenkins, samuals, rogers-cromarite on defense and vick, jackson, maclin, smith, mccoy, brown on offense man we got a nice roster. the only concerns I have is safety and line backers and our O-line mainly the right side.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    i for one have not forgiven him. He could cure cancer, and i'd still view him as a puppy killer.

    do i need to show more pics of my pup to show why?

    he has paid his debt to society get over it, everyone changes as they get older.

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    He didn't hurt society, he hurt nature. He tortured and killed innocent animals. We don't need to get over it because some judge determined that their lives were worth a couple years in jail. Jails aren't designed to rehabilitate, they're designed to cage animals and people who don't want to follow some important and some meaningless laws. People do change when they get older, the become more mature. This isn't a maturity issue, this is a core morality issue. Morals don't "mature". His family is troubled, his brother totally wrecked his own promising football career because of horrible morals and ethics. He's the same guy now as he was then, except now he's not allowed to own a dog.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    He didn't hurt society, he hurt nature. He tortured and killed innocent animals. We don't need to get over it because some judge determined that their lives were worth a couple years. Jails aren't designed to rehabilitate, they're designed to cage animals and people who don't want to follow some important and some meaningless laws. People do change when they get older, the become more mature. This isn't a maturity issue, this is a core moral issue. Morals don't "mature". His family is troubled, his brother totally wrecked his own promising football career because of horrible morals and ethics. He's the same guy now as he was then, except now he's not allowed to own a dog.
    Though I do generally agree with what you're saying, any crime comes down to morals.
    And you're right that 'Morals' don't usually 'mature', as you put it; but people are very capable of learning from their mistakes, and growing as people.

    And in that, people are very capable of Learning Right from Wrong, even if at one point they may have had trouble determining one from the other.
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    I agree, I just don't feel he should be celebrated and I feel the NFL does a disservice to the public when they let these guys get off relatively easy. Had he abused a child he'd never play again.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    I agree, I just don't feel he should be celebrated and I feel the NFL does a disservice to the public when they let these guys get off relatively easy. Had he abused a child he'd never play again.
    Then we agree.

    And even with all the NBA players getting pulled over for DUI's, its unbelievable and sends a HORRIBLE message to children.
    These guys are back on the court in a couple weeks, where as any 'normal' person, would be locked up and license suspended for years. With a liklely far more dire outcome as well.
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    here's the thing about jail.

    just because you've paid your debt to society, doesnt mean you're not still a VAGINA.

    vick is a VAGINA. straight up dirty disease infested mangly oversized mini PENIS looking CLITORIS VAGINA.

    oh, but he plays a game well. so we're supposed to overlook that.

    VAGINA.

    *** had to edit myself there.... guess where.

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    so let me get your line of thinking, say a child steals a candy from a store gets caught, does whatever punishment is giving to him and goes out the next year and wins an award for whatever. Under you guys logic he should never be allowed to win award because he committed a crime the year before.

    keep whatever hate you guys have in your heart, no one can stop you from doing that. at the end of the day the past can not be changed you can only live a better tommorrow and those that realize that is what he is doing will acknowledgement the effort.

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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    so let me get your line of thinking, say a child steals a candy from a store gets caught, does whatever punishment is giving to him and goes out the next year and wins an award for whatever. Under you guys logic he should never be allowed to win award because he committed a crime the year before.

    keep whatever hate you guys have in your heart, no one can stop you from doing that. at the end of the day the past can not be changed you can only live a better tommorrow and those that realize that is what he is doing will acknowledgement the effort.
    You are right, a child stealing candy is the same as a 26 year old abusing animals. Those stupid haters.

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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    so let me get your line of thinking, say a child steals a candy from a store gets caught, does whatever punishment is giving to him and goes out the next year and wins an award for whatever. Under you guys logic he should never be allowed to win award because he committed a crime the year before.

    keep whatever hate you guys have in your heart, no one can stop you from doing that. at the end of the day the past can not be changed you can only live a better tommorrow and those that realize that is what he is doing will acknowledgement the effort.
    A kid stealing a candy from a store and a grown man torturing and killing animals are on different ends of the spectrum. What I'm saying is a violent crime like this is something I cannot forgive and forget. How would you feel about Vick if tortured your dog for months, then slit it's throat but he did serve a year or so in jail? Would it impact your life on the same level as if a child took a candy bar from your store shelf and ran off?

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    You are right, a child stealing candy is the same as a 26 year old abusing animals. Those stupid haters.
    Abusing and slaughtering man's best friend.

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    a sin, is a sin, is a sin I am done with this arguement

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    well if you want to pontificate about it...

    a child's sins aren't viewed in the same way as an adult's sins. having not yet passed the sacrament of confirmation.. having not received the holy spirit as of yet, a child does not possess the wisdom or knowledge to understand the concept of sin.

    that's if that's the made up father figure who lives in the clouds and watches over us bullshit you choose to believe.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote:
    teach children morality.
    Quote heinz57 wrote:
    the greatest enemy of faith is dogma.

    at the end of the day, it's all just made up fairy tales to teach children morality.

    the things done in the name of ANY church have always led to awful consequences. authoritative organizations created to dictate principles and morality defeat the entire purpose of having beliefs and morals... if you believe something is right because somebody else told you its right, you dont actually believe it.. you're just a lemming.

    who cares if somebody else's made up BS is different from our own made up BS... at the end of the day, its ALL made up BS... as long as it helps teach kids to not be a bunch of douchebags, im all for it..
    Now you're running into another doghouse here. My argument is about recognition of Scientology, not about whether religion itself is bs. Throw me more straw mans please, kthx.
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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    a sin, is a sin, is a sin I am done with this arguement
    So in your books hitting on a married chick is in the same league as murdering 3,000 people with an airplane? There are different shades of evil my friend. This isn't black and white.

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    Quote Prime wrote: View Post
    Now you're running into another doghouse here. My argument is about recognition of Scientology, not about whether religion itself is bs. Throw me more straw mans please, kthx.
    i really dont care about the recognition.. consider me a third party on that debate.. i'm not against ANY religion... faith, belief, etc are important factors in molding morality and common sense.. i'm of the firm belief that every child should grow up with some sort of religion, no matter how wacky it is

    what i'm against is dogma and the "institutions" of religion.. i hate the institutionalized idea that "if you think differently from me, you're not one of us"

    all religions are BS... made up fairy tales... no matter how devout you are, everyone can at least agree on "every religion in the world except for mine is BS"... so basically, the majority of the world always thinks any particular religion is BS..

    that doesn't mean they're bad... fairy tales are awesome... they teach children lessons which help mold them into good people

    what religion... and all good fairy tales... should strive for is the implanting of ideas... the shaping of the human spirit.. creating members of society that actually benefit society.. regardless of how different their beliefs stray from their base religion, they should be embraced for taking those ideas and concepts and growing.

    organized religion doesnt care about that though... they like their people to stay stupid and fill the coffers and follow meekly like a bunch of lemmings towards a cliff

    i was raised catholic.. and to some degree, still consider myself catholic, although any church going catholic would say otherwise.. if i'd never heard the story of jesus before, and somebody came and told me about it... i'd be like "wait wait wait... WHAT?! you believe THAT load of crap?!"... and even now, being able to seperate myself from catholicism a bit, and realize that okay.. maybe those stories arent exactly the most factual stories in the world... i fully believe that stories were integral to me growing up to be a decent human being... it taught me human decency, goodwill to others, self sacrifice, humility... that shit is GOOD regardless of how you learn in....

    what's not good is a governing body regulating a very shaky fairy tale. the ideas and values of religions are usually great things that people should incorporate into their daily lives... the canon and tenets created by some old dudes with funny hats are largely a load of shit

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    errr in hindsight that's WAY off topic... but f' it..... there's so little foot traffic outside of the main forum.. any discussion is open for derailing in my eyes

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    Wrong thread for this guys. I tried to get this thread back on course but I think it's time to shut it down. If you want to talk religion then by all means continue, but bring it to the appropriate place:

    http://raptorsrepublic.com/forums/fo...cht-Basketball

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    Default Trouble just seems to follow him

    A man was reportedly shot early Friday morning outside a Virginia Beach club, where Eagles quarterback Michael Vick was holding his 30th birthday party. According to reports by Virginia news outlet WTKR, the injuries to the man, one of the co-defendants in Vick's dogfighting case, are not life threatening.

    The shooting occurred at around 2:10 a.m. ET as the club was closing. Adam Bernstein, spokesman for Virginia Beach police, did not comment whether the shooting was connected to Vick.
    Source: AOLnews.com

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