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  • Is Bo all tied up contract wise with that Italian league team? At 26 years old it's getting close to that now or never stage if he's going to make a NBA roster. GMs must be aware of him by now.

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    • stretch wrote: View Post
      Is Bo all tied up contract wise with that Italian league team? At 26 years old it's getting close to that now or never stage if he's going to make a NBA roster. GMs must be aware of him by now.
      He signed a 3 years Extension last year I believe. He's pretty much locked in until he's like 27-28.
      Those European Contracts come with pretty stiff Buyout Clauses.
      Anthony Parker came over later on in his career, but he wasn't playing PG, a position which relies heavily on Quicks.

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      • Insult to injury for team Canada - Gary Forbes of Panama:

        I have to be honest with you guys. Team Panama is struggling on the court due to behind the scenes issues. Our team is the only team not backed by our government and probably the only team without any sponsors. Our president, who I will not name, has put the team in a lose/lose situation in my eyes. Our practice facilities are subpar, practicing on 9-foot baskets, as your regulation baskets are 10 feet. Panama has a facility, “Roberto Duran” Coliseum, which we can’t use because it is a government owned facility. There are two federations in Panama and basically we are a private club team. Crazy, huh?

        Our President booked our tickets home for September 4th because he didn’t believe we’d make it to the second round. Along with that, we have one coach, no staff, no trainers, and once again no backing or support from our country. I was in a meeting before I left Panama with the Pan Deportes President who said that we don’t represent Panama when we play in these international tournaments, FIBA recognizes us but not the government. I had no clue of these conditions before I came to represent my country.

        Another factor that amazed me was how we had yellow practice jerseys, mind you the Panamanian flag colors are red, white, and blue. Due to the fact that we are unable to represent our country, we don’t wear the colors inside of the country. I have seen other teams here at the FIBA Americas tournament have scouting reports, film, and a game plan for the opposing teams, which we have none of. Like I said, we only have 1 coach. There have been players in the locker room taping themselves due to the lack of trainers on hand. I’ve always known that what you put out is what you get and I must say I am disappointed in the lack of effort from the team’s President. It has been a humbling experience just finishing my first NBA season and then to come here and deal with this.

        It’s sad in a sense because the talent is there but without any resources its tough to go out and produce the way we would like to. With all that being said, we have 2 games left in the tournament and as players I know we live play every possession like it is our last for the pride of our country even though technically we don’t represent it.

        All in all, it has been a learning experience for me and a humbling one to say the least. I haven’t been playing my best but there’s no excuses in my eyes. We play Venezuela and Canada in our final two games and I would love to finish our tournament on a win streak. Sorry for the venting but had to let everyone know the conditions that we are dealing with. LOL.

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        • Eurobasket wrote: View Post
          It's always difficult to compare two players on two different teams, and most of your points are valid. However, do you think it's easier to play with Gasol's, Fernandez etc on your team and shoot wide open shots because the defense is focused on these guys (making 33% of them), or when you are the only go-to guy and always double or even triple teamed by your opponents, receiving one hard foul after another, and still able to shoot 10/16? Do you think Calderon is capable of doing what McCalebb is doing for the Macedonian team - single handedly winning games against tough competition?

          My point is, if Calderon can play in NBA for so many seasons, Bo can certainly play better, because many people are still questioning his capability to play in NBA. Usually people think about the Raptors as "Euro specialists", I thought we had the "godfather of Euro basketball" as our vice president, but we missed the boat on this great player.
          I've got to agree with Joey, here. Nothing against Bo, but Calderon has been one of the most efficient PGs in the league the last 4 years, or so. If not for injuries, he probably would have been considering a top 15 PG over that stretch.

          Success in Europe doesn't necessarily translate to the NBA (and visa versa). There are different skill sets needed, especially for different positions. Jasikevicius was as good a PG as anyone in Europe, but couldn't find his niche in the NBA and went back to Europe.
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          • Tim W. wrote: View Post
            I've got to agree with Joey, here. Nothing against Bo, but Calderon has been one of the most efficient PGs in the league the last 4 years, or so. If not for injuries, he probably would have been considering a top 15 PG over that stretch.

            Success in Europe doesn't necessarily translate to the NBA (and visa versa). There are different skill sets needed, especially for different positions. Jasikevicius was as good a PG as anyone in Europe, but couldn't find his niche in the NBA and went back to Europe.
            Jasikevicius is a great example Tim. Thanks for that.

            I remember in 2003 when he DOMINATED the World Championships and then the next year Led Lithuania to an Upset win over the US. Guy was Lights out! ... but with Indiana he just wasn't able to play the same game that got him to where he was, and he was forced to either change his game (at his age, likely wasn't an option) or go back to Europe where he continued to have success Post-NBA.

            Bo certainly still has a chance to learn the NBA game and adjust to the speed of the game, but he's running out of time.
            And I'm sure a GM or two would have picked him up, if there really was something special to be had.
            Last edited by Joey; Fri Sep 9, 2011, 01:09 PM.

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            • I always felt sorry for Jasikevicius. If I remember correctly, at the time he had a choice of teams; Cleveland is the only coming out of my memory I'm pretty sure of. He choose the Pacers because he thought they were able to compete for a championship. But the Pacers were never quite clicking that year.

              It was the year after the Pistons fight and Ron Artest was making a mess of it (got traded after asking for a trade) while O'Neal played only 51 games. In all that turmoil Jasikevicius couldn't find his place on the team. Many times when he played you could see his courtvision and in the beginning of the year (2005) I for one thought it was going to work.

              Later he was traded to Golden State, but that was not why he came to the nba (should have negotiated a salary-increase when traded like Calderon did). He might have been much better off on another team without all that turmoil.

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              • Lithuania - France starting in a few minutes.

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                • Anyone got a link to the game?

                  EDIT: found one http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-2/10/16/v-301652.html
                  Last edited by Prime; Fri Sep 9, 2011, 02:28 PM.

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                  • footarez wrote: View Post
                    Yes that is insane. On our national team (Bulgaria) almost every year we have new foreign ,mostly american new face on the national team. I have lost count on how many players we have given citizenship already.
                    No offense to your country, footarez, but I have no respect for countries that hand out citizenship like it means nothing. I would have no respect for Canada if we let Bonner jump the queue and circumvent the current rules just because he's a good basketball player. Good on the gov't for sticking to our principles.

                    I have no problem waiting 5 - 10 yrs when up and coming Canadian talent like: Joseph, Thompson, Kabongo, Wiggins and others, arrive and mature. That's something we can all be truly proud of.

                    BTW: Did anybody see the Sun article by Steve Buffery, where he tore a strip off Steve Nash because he hasn't represented Canada in 10yrs or so?
                    Last edited by golden; Fri Sep 9, 2011, 02:24 PM.

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                    • Prime wrote: View Post
                      Anyone got a link to the game?

                      EDIT: found one http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-2/10/16/v-301652.html
                      Go here for an English stream Prime.

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                      • golden wrote: View Post
                        No offense to your country, footarez, but I have no respect for countries that hand out citizenship like it means nothing. I would have no respect for Canada if we let Bonner jump the queue and circumvent the current rules just because he's a good basketball player. Good on the gov't for sticking to our principles.

                        I have no problem waiting 5 - 10 yrs when up and coming Canadian talent like: Joseph, Thompson, Kabongo, Wiggins and others, arrive and mature. That's something we can all be truly proud of.

                        BTW: Did anybody see the Sun article by Steve Buffery, where he tore a strip off Steve Nash because he hasn't represented Canada in 10yrs or so?
                        Steve Buffery is an ignorant LOSER, and if he did ANY research he would realize that Steve Nash represented our Country better than ANYONE and did more to put Basketball on the map in Canada than ANYONE else has, EVER.


                        As for "circumventing the rules", thats not really whats being done.
                        If you check the Official Immigration Document from the Government of Canada, it says:
                        "The citizenship test is usually a written test, but it could be an interview. You will be tested on two basic requirements for citizenship: 1) knowledge of Canada and of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship, and 2) adequate knowledge of English or French. Adult applicants 55 years of age and over do not need to write the citizenship test. If you pass the test and meet all the other requirements, you will receive a Notice to Appear to Take the Oath of Citizenship. This document tells you the date, time and place of your citizenship ceremony." That is all. THAT'S IT.

                        And I tell you what, I know of at least A FEW citizens who have been granted Citizenship who DO NOT meet those expectations.
                        So to say "Good on the Government for sticking with our principals" at all.

                        Again, Matt Bonner has relatives that are Canadian. He lives part-time in the Country. Has family FULL-TIME in the country. Has personally resided in the country for several years. What about letting this man become an official Citizen is against "our principals", Golden?
                        Last edited by Joey; Fri Sep 9, 2011, 02:43 PM.

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                        • I think the problem with Jasikevicius in the NBA was that he was asked to play a more supporting role he was used to. He worked best with the ball in his hands and wasn't given that role in the NBA. I remember watching that game against the US. I became a big Jasikevicius fan after that. Shame he never found his niche in the NBA, but he's had a great career in Europe.
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                          • golden wrote: View Post

                            BTW: Did anybody see the Sun article by Steve Buffery, where he tore a strip off Steve Nash because he hasn't represented Canada in 10yrs or so?
                            lol
                            You can't really find someone like him to be credible. I remember a piece on his column where he wrote about spending his weekend with 3 older ladies.

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                            • joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
                              Steve Buffery is an ignorant LOSER, and if he did ANY research he would realize that Steve Nash represented our Country better than ANYONE and did more to put Basketball on the map in Canada than ANYONE else has, EVER.


                              As for "circumventing the rules", thats not really whats being done.
                              If you check the Official Immigration Document from the Government of Canada, it says:
                              "The citizenship test is usually a written test, but it could be an interview. You will be tested on two basic requirements for citizenship: 1) knowledge of Canada and of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship, and 2) adequate knowledge of English or French. Adult applicants 55 years of age and over do not need to write the citizenship test. If you pass the test and meet all the other requirements, you will receive a Notice to Appear to Take the Oath of Citizenship. This document tells you the date, time and place of your citizenship ceremony." That is all. THAT'S IT.

                              And I tell you what, I know of at least A FEW citizens who have been granted Citizenship who DO NOT meet those expectations.
                              So to say "Good on the Government for sticking with our principals" at all.

                              Again, Matt Bonner has relatives that are Canadian. He lives part-time in the Country. Has family FULL-TIME in the country. Has personally resided in the country for several years. What about letting this man become an official Citizen is against "our principals", Golden?
                              Actually, gaining Canadian citizenship is more than just passing a simple written test, as it should be. I believe that it is the residency requirement that Bonner is failing, because he works and resides in the U.S. Also, I'm no tax expert, but from what I understand, I think it also means that he's paying most or all of his income taxes in the U.S., rather than Canada. So, I suppose if the government amended the rules to allow for people willing to submit to double taxation in lieu of the residency requirement, then maybe that's a fair trade. We would find out just how badly people want to be Canadian.

                              http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizen...ligibility.asp

                              Time lived in Canada

                              To become Canadian citizens, adults must have lived in Canada for at least three years (1,095 days) in the past four years before applying. Children under the age of 18 do not need to meet this requirement.

                              You may be able to count time you spent in Canada before you became a permanent resident if that time falls within the four-year period.

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                              • golden wrote: View Post
                                Actually, gaining Canadian citizenship is more than just passing a simple written test, as it should be. I believe that it is the residency requirement that Bonner is failing, because he works and resides in the U.S. Also, I'm no tax expert, but from what I understand, I think it also means that he's paying most or all of his income taxes in the U.S., rather than Canada. So, I suppose if the government amended the rules to allow for people willing to submit to double taxation in lieu of the residency requirement, then maybe that's a fair trade. We would find out just how badly people want to be Canadian.

                                http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizen...ligibility.asp

                                Time lived in Canada

                                To become Canadian citizens, adults must have lived in Canada for at least three years (1,095 days) in the past four years before applying. Children under the age of 18 do not need to meet this requirement.

                                You may be able to count time you spent in Canada before you became a permanent resident if that time falls within the four-year period.
                                Ya I saw all of this afterwards as well ...
                                But again, his family, (ie Wife and Kids) live in Canada. I think.
                                So would they not be paying taxes in Canada?

                                And I'm confused on the matter because did we not give citizenship to Dalembert?
                                I'm not sure he fell into this newly mentioned criteria?

                                Either way, all I'm trying to say is that Bonners situation and Bo McCalebb situations are differently, as Bonner has legitimate ties to the country.
                                And

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