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    Default Will this be a make-or-break season for our "core"?

    Given that this core (of KL, DD, JV, TR) have been together for 3 years now and are going into their 4th year, and seeing first hand their basketball limitations as a group against the more elite teams in the NBA, as well as the impending free agency of 3 out of 4 players could possibly be gone, do you think this core will see another season together after this 2015-16 one? Is this season more significant than the previous ones based on the time and knowledge of our team having played so long together?

    What happens if they under perform once more in the playoffs? Will someone/everyone be dropped? Will that person(s) be departed before the deadline or at a later time-- like in the next off-season?

    Or is this season not really that important to Masai at all, and a throw away season to continue collecting assets and maintaining flexibility? Will Masai continue to make adjustments and work around this core figuring out ways to marginally improve the roster?

    I'm personally not sure about any of this but I wanted to hear what ya'll had to say.
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    I think in sports in general, every season is more important than the last. Work continues and while I don't think it'll be a throwaway year, I think Masai continues to collect assets and build a nice core. Perhaps he lets some of these guys go, but I don't think he's given himself or them an ultimatum. It's more like constant evaluation.

    Example: he didn't panic trade Lou at the deadline, but was cool enough to let him walk and continue on with his work.
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    Yeah, I think it is a make or break season for those four. However, I think Lowry and Ross are the ones who get moved if things go south.

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    Well now our core consists of Carroll, while Ross is regulated to the bench as an after thought. If it's another first round exit, Masai will need to evaluate again what's wrong. Maybe all we need is a starting caliber PF to make some noise and if it's not that then in all likelihood DD will not be resigned, KL will be traded and Casey will be fired. Unless you are getting a better value at the centre then JV, he isn't going anywhere.

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    Last season should have been make or break.

    3rd year together, given all opportunity and 2 straight first round exits, with the second of the 2 being very humiliating.

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    Masai is about asset accumulation more than anything. He'll retain DeMar not because he wants to keep his core, but because he'll better as an asset on the roster to trade later than a piece that gets away for nothing.

    So even if the Raptors come out of the gate luke warm or they lose in the first round again, the 'core' will be here until Masai can find a good package to deal them. If he doesn't find anything he likes than they will continue to be Raptors.

    If anything Casey will be on thin ice as he's in his contract year.

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    Quote BS10 wrote: View Post
    Given that this core (of KL, DD, JV, TR) have been together for 3 years now and are going into their 4th year, and seeing first hand their basketball limitations as a group against the more elite teams in the NBA, as well as the impending free agency of 3 out of 4 players could possibly be gone, do you think this core will see another season together after this 2015-16 one? Is this season more significant than the previous ones based on the time and knowledge of our team having played so long together?

    What happens if they under perform once more in the playoffs? Will someone/everyone be dropped? Will that person(s) be departed before the deadline or at a later time-- like in the next off-season?

    Or is this season not really that important to Masai at all, and a throw away season to continue collecting assets and maintaining flexibility? Will Masai continue to make adjustments and work around this core figuring out ways to marginally improve the roster?

    I'm personally not sure about any of this but I wanted to hear what ya'll had to say.
    I think this year is a pivotal year for the "old" core of Demar / Lowry / Ross / JV. Carroll who we just paid 60M over 4 years isn't going anywhere. We have the ability to makeover the team in the next two years if Ujiri chooses to. With 4 first rounders (only 1 might be top 10) and an expanding cap for all including us we have the ability to retool on the fly if Ujiri sees the ceiling has been reached. We have very desirable players on good contracts that can be used in the retool. We have the next wave of players getting a year under their belts ( Bebe / Wright / Bruno and perhaps Powell and Daniels). So this year becomes important for the core to show they can move to the next level. If not we have the flexibility to adjust.

    Whats the tipping point ? I believe a third consecutive first round exit in the playoffs will trigger a changing of the guard.

    Who goes ?

    I think Ross goes to RFA regardless of what he does this year and the choice will be to match or let him walk depending on what he does this year off the bench. Its up to him to commit to being a pro and engage on a level he has yet to show anyone so far. If he has another year like the last two I can't see us matching a deal if its more than 4 years for 30M total. Maybe not even that if the King of Instagram doesn't mature mightily this year.

    I don't see us moving away from or trading JV. He stays.

    Kyle had an uneven year last year (great start lousy finish) and has something to prove which is he is not a one year wonder and can replicate the all star start he had last year for an entire campaign. If we retool he is the most likely to go as he has a great deal at 12M / yr and Ujiri has put in place succession planning with Joseph and Wright.

    Demar.. this is the great unknown and toughest call. The pluses on DD still outweigh the minuses right now. He always amazes with something and if we are going to retain him at 80 to 90M per year for 4 years he will have to show a consistent 3 point shot this year. He needs to shoot it at a high 30's percentage and take at least 6 to 8 per game and maintain that percentage. If he can get that 3 pt shot down he stays. If he can't then with the heaviest of hearts we wish him well and let him go.

    So yes its a very pivotal year for the core. Lose in the first found of the playoffs for the 3rd time in 3 years would make changes inevitable.
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    Quote BS10 wrote: View Post
    Given that this core (of KL, DD, JV, TR) have been together for 3 years now and are going into their 4th year, and seeing first hand their basketball limitations as a group against the more elite teams in the NBA, as well as the impending free agency of 3 out of 4 players could possibly be gone, do you think this core will see another season together after this 2015-16 one? Is this season more significant than the previous ones based on the time and knowledge of our team having played so long together?

    What happens if they under perform once more in the playoffs? Will someone/everyone be dropped? Will that person(s) be departed before the deadline or at a later time-- like in the next off-season?

    Or is this season not really that important to Masai at all, and a throw away season to continue collecting assets and maintaining flexibility? Will Masai continue to make adjustments and work around this core figuring out ways to marginally improve the roster?

    I'm personally not sure about any of this but I wanted to hear what ya'll had to say.
    I don't think the team has any set rules, they're happy with the guys on the roster but always looking to improve. If the right deal comes along, best believe they'll pull the trigger.

    And I really don't get this term "throwaway season". Every year matters, nobody throws away a year of their life(if they're sane). Maybe somebody takes a huge leap, you never know when somebody becomes a huge star in this league (DeAndre Jordan, James Harden, Steph Curry, etc etc, all not expected to be anywhere near this good). Maybe the right deal comes mid season to launch you into contender status. Or maybe just maybe the players try as hard as they can, and you just enjoy the basketball.

    If you're asking if he will tear it all down, well, barring a complete disaster, I don't see that happening in Masais tenure. We're closer to the top than we are to the bottom, he's too far into it now, even if we're out in the first round and barely over .500, he'll roll up his sleeves, make some major changes, and try to improve again. That's sports as it is life. If you didn't get the raise you expected at work, do you quit everything, go back to school, and start all over again, or do you try to find a job thats better than the one you have while maintaining that healthy paycheck every couple of weeks?
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