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    Default How many moves are we from title contention?

    I think we're one major move away. We literally have a war chest of assets at the moment with a ton of young prospects and 4 1st round picks, including one that's projected to go very high next year. Additionally we have several starting-caliber players to potentially include in a deal as well.

    I know some people are down on Masai now and think we're treadmilling, but we currently have the asset base as well as a strong enough roster to make the kind of trades that were made by other asset-hoarding GMs like Ainge and Morey for Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and James Harden among others.

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    Does the one major move occur after DC is fired? We will never contend with DC as our head coach. He is too stubborn and cannot adequately adjust and adapt to changing circumstances.

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    Does the one major move occur after DC is fired? We will never contend with DC as our head coach. He is too stubborn and cannot adequately adjust and adapt to changing circumstances.
    We don't have a contender even if Pop was coaching right now. People need to be more patient with the coaching thing. Once we have a team that we think can compete for the title legitimately, that's when I think Masai will replace Casey (or maybe slightly in advance of that).

    Kind of like how GS stuck with Marc Jackson until they were really ready to make a significant run and got someone who would use their assistant coaching staff better and had a more modern-perspective on the NBA.

    No point replacing Casey just to replace him and then getting stuck with an equally bad coach. This is basically what the Raptors have done since 1995, so it's time to be patient and make a great hire for once.

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    we are most definitely not one move away unless that move is for lebron. we havent even won a single 7 game playoff series yet.
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    We don't have a contender even if Pop was coaching right now. People need to be more patient with the coaching thing. Once we have a team that we think can compete for the title legitimately, that's when I think Masai will replace Casey (or maybe slightly in advance of that).

    Kind of like how GS stuck with Marc Jackson until they were really ready to make a significant run and got someone who would use their assistant coaching staff better and had a more modern-perspective on the NBA.

    No point replacing Casey just to replace him and then getting stuck with an equally bad coach. This is basically what the Raptors have done since 1995, so it's time to be patient and make a great hire for once.
    spurs have been winning 50+ games and titles with castoffs and misfit + Duncan. Casey is really bad and Pop is really good. This roster has Casey disaster written all over it

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    The draft pick that is projected to go "very high" next year could easily be #10. Remember where Ross and DD were picked?

    Three moves minimum.
    1. Absolutely need a higher than average starting PF. Needs to be able to defend and score from at least midrange if not the 3pt line with efficiency.
    2. A passing 3/4 for the bench with a 3pt shot that averages +38%
    3. Either a coach who can reign in DD and KL, or move at least one of them for a better passing player at their position.

    Those are the moves but they only work if Casey can provide an inside-out oriented offense, JV improves his passing and court awareness, Ross is average or better coming off the bench and the offense returns to the PNR for 20-25% of it's offensive baskets.

    I think the players are in place to improve the defense to top 5-10 again. I think rebounding has improved. I think the bench is 1 or 2 players away from being adequate for a contender.

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    we are most definitely not one move away unless that move is for lebron. we havent even one a single 7 game playoff series yet.
    Exactly. Win one 7 game playoff series first. That should be an attainable goal.

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    spurs have been winning 50+ games and titles with castoffs and misfit + Duncan. Casey is really bad and Pop is really good. This roster has Casey disaster written all over it
    So because Manu and Parker were drafted by the Spurs, they're misfits and Kahwi was acquired in trade he's a castoff? That seem to be what you're implying.
    If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    So because Manu and Parker were drafted by the Spurs, they're misfits and Kahwi was acquired in trade he's a castoff? That seem to be what you're implying.
    Playoff teams can handle 1-2 players, good ones 3. The Greens and the Diaws are the difference. OKC can match up all three Spurs stars yet can't beat the Spurs because secondary players kill them. Every good Western team is 2-3 deep

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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    So because Manu and Parker were drafted by the Spurs, they're misfits and Kahwi was acquired in trade he's a castoff? That seem to be what you're implying.
    That's the first time I've ever heard the Spurs described as castoffs and misfits + Duncan and Pops.
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    Two moves away from being two moves away....

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    Quote raptors999 wrote: View Post
    Playoff teams can handle 1-2 players, good ones 3. The Greens and the Diaws are the difference. OKC can match up all three Spurs stars yet can't beat the Spurs because secondary players kill them. Every good Western team is 2-3 deep
    Most Finals winners have an MVP-level talent plus a couple other current All-Star-level talent. Often 2 or 3 of these guys are future HoF'ers. In a given season a lot of "contenders" aren't really, imho. There are several 50-win, deep playoff teams that don' really have a solid chance to win the title (barring about 15 variables breaking their way). A quick glance through the list of title winners shows how few teams are actually legitimate contenders.

    Even Lebron James can't do it if his next best player is Mo Williams or Tristan Thompson. Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka haven't been able to do, Harden/Howard can't do it, Paul/Griffin/Jordan can't do it, 4 Atlanta All-Stars in a supersystem can't do it, hell, half the time the Spurs can't do it.

    It would be nice to think the Raptors are one move away, but that guy would have to be Durant or Lebron and even then, I don't know. You'd get to the third or fourth round for sure, maybe Lebron would win you the Finals vs. the best team in the West, but I don't think anybody else would.
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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    So because Manu and Parker were drafted by the Spurs, they're misfits and Kahwi was acquired in trade he's a castoff? That seem to be what you're implying.
    kind of? manu was what? the 56th pick or something? and parker was mid-20s pick. i wouldn't consider kawhi a castoff though, as indiana were pretty high on him for sure, and at the time the george hill trade was seen as a win for both teams.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    kind of? manu was what? the 56th pick or something? and parker was mid-20s pick. i wouldn't consider kawhi a castoff though, as indiana were pretty high on him for sure, and at the time the george hill trade was seen as a win for both teams.
    My point was the Spurs were a lot more than castoffs and misfits + Duncan. One great player alone gets you nowhere. Even if Pops is the coach.
    If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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    Quote JWash wrote: View Post
    I think we're one major move away. We literally have a war chest of assets at the moment with a ton of young prospects and 4 1st round picks, including one that's projected to go very high next year. Additionally we have several starting-caliber players to potentially include in a deal as well.

    I know some people are down on Masai now and think we're treadmilling, but we currently have the asset base as well as a strong enough roster to make the kind of trades that were made by other asset-hoarding GMs like Ainge and Morey for Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and James Harden among others.
    It's impossible to say. It can be as few as one if everything lined up at the right time.

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    One move can be this season assuming Lebron gets injured and the Raptors play like the first half of 2013-2014 and they play defense like they did in 2012-2013. Will be more difficult with Casey as coach, but even Larry Brown won the whole thing once. Getting out of the East is getting passed Lebron. Raptors can't get that done with one move.

    James is 30 now.. I'd say he'll still be in his peak for another 2-3 years.. I'll go with 2 to be on the optimistic side. In 2 years the Raptors could contend and it will take a series of moves within those 2 years to make it happen. Part of that though hinges on the hope that JV takes a huge leap, and the 2016 NY/Denver pick ends up turning into a stud. They'll need to figure out what to do at the PF spot but that could work itself out based on trades or free agency. I mean in 2 years Miami could go into the tank and decide to sell of Bosh who could be happy to return back to Toronto in hopes of winning it at all where he started his NBA career.

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    Quote 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    My point was the Spurs were a lot more than castoffs and misfits + Duncan. One great player alone gets you nowhere. Even if Pops is the coach.
    it kind of fits though. patty mills? total misfit. even danny green barely got drafted. boris diaw was dumped by charlotte. a lot spurs key players outside of duncan fit that criteria.

    just seems like pops actually knows how to utilize everyone properly, whereas casey just tries to follow some shitty formula and complains about not having the 'right' players
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    1 if we get Lebron or KD.

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    It's so funny how accurate guys get with what averages players need to have to be successful lol. Bunch of Billy Beanes running around internet land

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    It's not about how many moves.

    What this team needs to contend is a FRANCHISE PLAYER.

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