Does anyone remember the pre-draft workout video released of Biyombo? He'd miss jump hook after jump hook. It was a great instructional video on how to strip paint off rims. Biyombo's got as much offensive skill as Reggie Evans. He just scores a few more baskets because he can dunk.
I think it should be mentioned that JV is still just 19. He'll be 20 in May. Biyombo will be 20 in August.
I appreciate your opinion but the high opinion of JV around here is certainly warranted based on his play, accolades, and press.
Lietuvos Rytas 65:72 Spartak
Pretty terrible game today for Rytas, they have managed to lose second half by 21 and waste all the advantage made in first half. Coach Dzikic also made some stupid decisions as I watched the game. I know he's a mate of Casey's, but I'd really like them to get a new coach.
The game wasn't an exception for Valančiūnas, not one of his finest moments, missed a couple freethrows, got flopped by the Russians a bit.
I know that a lot of JV talk is prospect pron but he's putting up numbers in Europe that say he's more than a middling centre prospect. We'll have to see when he gets here but, for me at least, there is no question he's got a much higher ceiling than Biyombo simply because he can actually shoot, pass and play on the offensive end of the floor. Biyombo really hasn't shown anything suggesting he can do that. Yet, at least.
Biyombo is a larger stronger Pops Mensah Bonsou
If I had to put my money on who's going to be better in 3-4 years it'd be Bismack.
Last edited by RaptorsFan4Life; Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 02:21 PM.
Source: NBA.comRubio showed that a delayed arrival from Draft (2009) until NBA debut (2011) can deliver a huge payoff. The Raptors have asked for the same patience with Jonas Valanciunas as fans suffer through 13-28 in the post-Chris Bosh construction efforts.
Valanciunas is somewhere in the distance. Rubio is proof that this can work out.
Valanciunas was an investment pick at No. 5, saddled with a straightjacket of a contract in his native Lithuania that had no buyout provision. Only after the Draft -- after the Cavaliers used the first selection on Kyrie Irving, the Timberwolves took Derrick Williams, the Jazz chose Enes Kanter and the Cavs came back with Tristan Thompson -- was agreement reached on a new deal that included a $2.4 million buyout.
Every indication is that he will be a Raptor coached by Dwane Casey next season, after a 2011-12 season during which he is improving his strength and shooting with Lietuvos Rytas. His team is coached by Aleksandar Dzikic, by coincidence a former Casey assistant with the Timberwolves. And Valanciunas figures to have a successful career -- "a future franchise center," one non-Toronto executive predicted before the Draft.
"I have no doubt that is the right pick or was the right pick for us," said Bryan Colangelo, the president and general manager. "But it certainly wasn't one that would gather instant gratification. There were other players on the board ... that our fans and perhaps the media wanted us to take because they might come in and be an immediate-impact pick, if you will. But we made a long-term decision. We drafted a 19-year-old center prospect and despite the pressure of picking a so-called sexy pick or someone that might be a more-popular pick, we made the pick that we felt was the best decision, long term and short term, for the franchise because it fit right into this building process that we're going through right now."
It's the pick the Cavaliers should have made at No. 4, instead of power forward Tristan Thompson. They would have had, as it turned out, Irving streaking to Rookie of the Year in 2011-12 and an additional substantial pay out later in Valanciunas.
Instead, the Raptors gladly stepped into the Valanciunas predicament, willing to trade what at the time most teams expected would be a one-season holding pattern for eight or 10 seasons of standout center play. Colangelo just doesn't like the Rubio analogy.
But it's true. Even in an abbreviated rookie season, Rubio showed that patience can be worth it.
"I don't like to make comparisons like that," Colangelo said. "Clearly the situation is one that you've drafted a young player, he's playing professional basketball somewhere else, it's not at the NBA level but he is continuing the process of growing and maturing as an individual and as a basketball player.
"He's playing minutes. I think all of that was favorable in Ricky's situation. Ricky probably got to the point where it was counter-productive because that last year in Spain he was really, if anything, going the opposite direction. It's almost like there was a disinterest, if you will, or he had a lot less impact. I'm sure that extra time in Europe was beneficial for him, but in his case, maybe it lasted just one season too long."
That, the Raptors hope, will not be the case for the improving Valanciunas. When he finally makes it to the NBA, he'll be ready. And Toronto will be ready for him.
As Matt said many much more intelligent and informed people have said that JV is a FRANCHISE CENTER. I haven't heard anything close to that about biyombo. Biyombo is a more athletic Reggie Evans with longer arms
That $2.4M buyout is obscene. The Raps can only contribute $500K. JV is paying $1.9M to come to Toronto next year.
If a club wants a player under contract with another club they need to negotiate a transfer fee; there isn't a trade system comparable to the nba system (even though sometimes a trade is part of the deal). In general the player also has to agree to the trade. You could see the transfer fee as a buy-out, but paid for by the club. (For fun: In 2009 Ronaldo changed clubs for aobut 100 million dollars; the asking price for Messi is set at about 330 million dollar (meaning they don't want to sell him...)).
It's a lot because the Raptors can only pay for 500k of it; but that's a choice of the nba, not the Lithuanian club.
In football, in Europe, a club who develops a player gets a percentage of every transfer of this player later on. This is to stop the big clubs from parasitizing (?) on the smaller clubs by letting them pay for the development from youth player to senior player and picking up all the talent without rewardings for the club which has paid for the development of this player. In Europe, unlike nba teams, (almost) all the teams, in basketbal and football, have youth training programs. These programs of course cost (a lot of) money. If all players would just leave after completing their training, a lot of those clubs would not be able to sustain these training programs. They need to profit either from the talent by having (some of) these self-trained players play in their senior team or they need to get compensation for the investments they made.
Also: this isn't anywhere near as obscene as e.g. being able to franchise tag a player meaning he can never leave on his own accord for another nba club. 2.4 million won't do the trick with that kind of rules instituted.
Last edited by Soft Euro; Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 05:20 PM.
Amortization of that sum over say a ten yr. period is about 200k/. No big deal for someone who should be a high end player/earner going forward. Besides the financial consultant anecdote mentioned above I am sure his agent/s can put their heads together and work out some form of creative payback scheme for who will be a lucrative client. And lets not forget endorsements. All in all we need not feel too badly for JV.
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