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  • RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Game changing C. Doesn't really have to be offensive. Unless you can say Ben Wallace wasn't a franchise C...

    He has been solid for the Bobcats, too bad their team is so whack right now.
    i would say fantastic role player for ben wallace. not really a franchise center. after a franchise center signs a max deal he doesn't become a liability to the team

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    • It's hard to label one-dimensional players as "franchise players". Mutumbo was a great defensive player, but I've never heard anyone refer to him as a franchise player. And Biyombo has a long way to go before he ever reaches Mutumbo's accolades.

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      • If Biyombo is considered a franchise centre or a 1st NBA all defensive team in the next three years, I will streak down Yonge street. He is nowhere near as versatile as JV. Why are we even debating this?
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        • Next season we may be watching the combination of Anthony Davis and Biyombo defending the rim in Charlotte.

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          • thead wrote: View Post
            If Biyombo is considered a franchise centre or a 1st NBA all defensive team in the next three years, I will streak down Yonge street. He is nowhere near as versatile as JV. Why are we even debating this?
            I think there is a minority opinion that the Raptors should have drafted Biyombo.

            ...like Biyombo's game, looking forward to JV's arrival.

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            • Biyombos athleticism is the only thing that puts him ahead of Valanciunas and players dont excel purely on athletism (see Tyrus Thomas, Sean Williams, Hasheem Thabeet etc.) so sometimes it's better to draft less athletic players, but with better fundamentals and there's a better chance of them becoming high impact nba players

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              • Trade him for prospects!!!! (couldn't help myself)

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                • "so much potential!!"

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                  • Ion66 wrote: View Post
                    Trade him for prospects!!!! (couldn't help myself)
                    Yea trade him, if it would happen I wish he could make you regret for that.
                    Official Pope of the Raptors sponsored by MLSE.

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                    • RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
                      1) That is an appeal to authority

                      2) Bismack is proving in NBA that he is a franchise C...
                      Lol don't make me laugh he's not even close if he was a franchise C the bobcats wouldn't be as crap as they are right now

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                      • I suppose that's the clip, which was shown during Tor@Nets halftime on Sportsnet. They didn't show it on NBA.tv...

                        Clip From "Centred: The Jonas Valanciunas Story"

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                        • NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
                          Lol don't make me laugh he's not even close if he was a franchise C the bobcats wouldn't be as crap as they are right now
                          Yeah, even if Biyombo reaches his Ben Wallace type upside, that doesn't make him a franchise center. Wallace excelled in one very specific system with a very specific set of teammates, but put him on most NBA rosters and he's nothing more than an impact roleplayer (still a very useful guy, but in a completely different category than franchise C). A franchise center is a guy that you can plug in with an average NBA team and they immediately become a contending team. (Or plug him into a crap team, and they immediately become average.)
                          No way Biyombo ever becomes that, because the only way he'll be a starter on a contending team is if he is put with teammates who are well above average offensively in order to make up for his deficiencies.

                          On the other hand I think it's way too early to say that JV is a franchise center, but he's got a much better shot at it than Biyombo. He's got a very versatile skillset that would allow him to excel in a lot of different situations.

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                          • Ya people are already saying that JV is a franchise center. And those people are top notch analyists, coaches and scouts

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                            • Currently some Valančiūnas porn live at: http://tv.lrytas.lt/live

                              Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania) - Minsk-2006 (Belarus)

                              EDIT: JV has already got 13pts and 10reb at halftime (minutes played 15:16)

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                              • JV: 14pts, 14reb, 3blocks, 1steal, 0to, 2fouls, 3/6fg, 8/10ft

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