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    I wonder how much one-on-one coaching he gets next year. Who on the Raps staff will be working with him. One would think, without a lot of friends or family in TO, that he has the time to put in the gym practising on this type of skill set transition.

    I'm in the camp that says he doesn't need a tone of time before he is NBA ready. Is it too early to start a little pool to see how long before he reaches 20 minutes a game? I'm thinking early January at the latest.
    I wouldn't be surprised if he averages 20+mpg right out of the gates. I'd rather throw him in there from day-1, rather then easing him along slowly. Actually, I'm hoping he starts from day-1.

    Young players need experience, which is hard to gain by sitting on the sidelines.
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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    I wonder how much one-on-one coaching he gets next year. Who on the Raps staff will be working with him. One would think, without a lot of friends or family in TO, that he has the time to put in the gym practising on this type of skill set transition.

    I'm in the camp that says he doesn't need a tone of time before he is NBA ready. Is it too early to start a little pool to see how long before he reaches 20 minutes a game? I'm thinking early January at the latest.
    Wasn't it Scott Roth who said to him in the Draft special on RaptorsTV that he had worked with Pau Gasol in Memphis? So I'd go with Scott Roth.

    I think he starts immediately and is averaging 20 minutes per game from the beginning. He'll be given the DeMar treatment. This is only my opinion but he will quickly be better than Amir. The only thing holding me back from saying it now is 1) he's never played in the NBA and 2) he will likely need time to adapt to the style of the NBA versus Europe and international competition.

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    The NBA season is approaching what would be the halfway point in a non-lockout schedule. Many rookies have started to earn consistent minutes and we’re at the point where we can start to make early evaluations of how teams faired in the 2011 draft. This seasons is interesting in that the two most intriguing draftees, outside of Kyrie Irving, may still play in Europe.

    Jonas Valančiūnas, 19, has emerged as a wonder beast and closet sorcerer for Lietuvos rytas over the past couple of months. The young Lithuanian, who slipped to Toronto at the 5th pick, has athleticism and length (7’0″, 7’4″ wingspan, 9′ 3″ standing reach) that are comparable to that of Demarus Cousins (6’10.75”, 7’5.75″, 9′ 5″.)

    Now’s the part in a blog post where people usually toss around phrases like “help defense,” “finishing ability” and “nose for the ball” that fail to conjure up any depiction of what a player actually looks like. I’ll lean toward a story instead. It’s relatively common for players at the start of European basketball games to aim a couple of strong cheap shots at opposing stars to see if they can knock them out of their rhythm. A player is alloted more fouls per minute in European ball and the refs usually don’t call off-the-ball contact as closely so it’s usually sound strategy.

    Well Valančiūnas hits back, and he hits back hard. Hard enough, so that you see opposing players curl up, go limp and lose their aggressiveness. Valančiūnas looks every bit like a franchise NBA center and if there was redraft of the 2011 draft knowing what we know now, I anticipate that he would be the consensus selection for the 2nd pick. There may even be a couple of GMs who would make arguments about selecting him in front of Irving.
    How did these two Euros, who may have deserved to be selected as the 2nd and 3rd pick in the draft, slip like they did? Are GMs and owners so impatient that they couldn’t wait a season (or perhaps three in the case of Mirotic) for a substantially better pick than the player they selected?
    So, at the time of the 2011 Draft, the selection of Rubio was viewed as both a sign of how a shiny prospect can stall or even regress in their development, and the immense pressure waiting for a high draft pick can put on a roster, front office and fan base. Rubio was the cautionary tale for why a franchise like the Cleveland Cavaliers would select Tristan Thompson over Valančiūnas, and a good portion of the league would pass on Mirotic.

    It’s worth mentioning that neither Mirotic nor Valančiūnas were the prospects at the time of the 2011 draft that they are now. Valančiūnas hadn’t shown that he could be the focal point of an offense, and Mirotic looked like a preps-to-pros prospect trying to find ways to be a consistent contributor. The talent was there, but not the regular production.
    Fans in Toronto and Chicago, regardless, should be happy about their team’s maneuverings in the 2011 draft. Toronto may have landed a franchise center, the white rhinos of NBA prospects, and Chicago may have found a way to provide a substantial infusion of talent to its roster via a low first round selection.

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    Very encouraging to hear.

    When I hear "franchise centre" I think Shaq, Duncan, Howard. I hope I'm not getting my hopes up
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    That would be epic

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    Jonas Valančiūnas

    16:17 minutes

    6pts
    7reb
    4 turnovers
    1 block
    3 fouls
    3 drawn fouls
    1 assist
    3/4 fg
    0/0 ft

    Match was between Lietuvos Rytas (17-2) and arguably one of Lithuanian leagues worst teams (3-15). Even though JV's performance doesn't look much, I doubt anyone of Rytas' roster had a lot of motivation against my hometowns team. That's probably the reason Rytas lost the first quarter 16:23.

    Final result

    Lietuvos Rytas 77:49 Lietkabelis

    EDIT:
    Got some info that Valančiūnas wasn't even prepared to play against Lietkabelis, but since Redikas was injured BigV showed up on the court with Redikas' jersey since he didn't have his own LOL.

    Last edited by omgsomuchpotential; Fri Mar 9th, 2012 at 06:54 PM.

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    omgsomuchpotential: thanks for the update. There are a couple other Lithuanian posters here as well. It is great to hear your perspective and input.

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    I am actually pretty psyched about Jonas. Team MVP for Rytas most games this year according to their website. Watched some film and he is gonna have to learn the NBA game, but solid pickup for sure.
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    Are there livestreams where u can see some games? I am searching for some time now and wasn't able to find one. Replays ore downloadable replays would be nice too.

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    Quote jjiio wrote: View Post
    Are there livestreams where u can see some games? I am searching for some time now and wasn't able to find one. Replays ore downloadable replays would be nice too.
    Perhaps this?
    http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...ion=long&uni=3

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    Thank you!

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    For all the people that don't believe in Bismack. Ever since he has gotten an opportunity to start (30+ min a game) he's been on fire. Averaging close to 3.5 blocks and 9 rebounds (lately) while scoring on high % (generally), he needs to improve his FT % though.

    Bismack Biyombo 6.5 PT .500 of 5.2 FG .426 of 3.1 FT -- 3P 8.2/2.7 RB 0.6 AS 2.5 BL 0.6 ST 1.4 TO 2.4 PF 27.0 MN 15/15 GS

    Bismack Biyombo 6.6 PT .464 of 5.6 FG .389 of 3.6 FT -- 3P 8.6/2.9 RB 0.6 AS 3.2 BL 0.7 ST 1.4 TO 2.5 PF 27.5 MN 10/10 GS (last 10 games)

    Bismack Biyombo 8.2 PT .457 of 7.0 FG .474 of 3.8 FT -- 3P 10.0/3.2 RB 0.6 AS 2.8 BL 0.8 ST 1.6 TO 2.8 PF 31.1 MN 5/5 GS (last 5 games)

    I am going to be surprised if jonas can average 8 and 2.5 or even 8/1.70. The only thing that seems to be better about Jonas is his offense, which is ok but I think we'd be better off with a C that specializes in D and let other parts of our team run the offense.
    Last edited by RaptorsFan4Life; Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 06:13 AM.

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    Defense is what Jonas is specializing in and he is still improving his offense. I like Bismack, he's playing very solid lately and we can't deny the fact that he is very gifted athlete. Jonas is a white guy and he doesn't really have the hops like Bismack (not even close), but I do think Jonas is a better fit for Raptors going forward. I would like to say that JV is a more talented all around player than Bismack, but I won't, because obviously I am biased.
    Last edited by omgsomuchpotential; Tue Mar 13th, 2012 at 06:55 AM.

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    Quote omgsomuchpotential wrote: View Post
    Defense is what Jonas is specializing in and he is still improving his offense. I like Bismack, he's playing very solid lately and we can't deny the fact that he is very gifted athlete. Jonas is a white guy and he doesn't really have the hops like Bismack (not even close), but I do think Jonas is a better fit for Raptors going forward. I won't say that JV is more talented all around player than Bismack because obviously I am biased.
    jv will be better than bismack, dont even need to bring race into it. jv is going to be a double double guy and a solid shot blocker. i have yet to hear bismack compared to anyone near the skill of sabonis

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    JV hasn't proven anything yet. He has done good in under 19 but I've yet to see him play extended min against pros (he's currently the backup) or have any games close to the level Bismack is playing. I guess I'll wait and see but I am not going to get my hopes up.


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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    JV hasn't proven anything yet. He has done good in under 19 but I've yet to see him play extended min against pros (he's currently the backup) or have any games close to the level Bismack is playing. I guess I'll wait and see but I am not going to get my hopes up.

    i have hopes so high theyve mixed ketamine and ecstasy together in a mixing bowl and are just going face first.

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    They are different players. JV will never dominate in blocks. If Biyombo can turn into Mutombo, good for him. As for JV, we'll need to wait a year at least to see, what he is capable of in NBA. Everything else is now speculation.

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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    JV hasn't proven anything yet. He has done good in under 19 but I've yet to see him play extended min against pros (he's currently the backup) or have any games close to the level Bismack is playing. I guess I'll wait and see but I am not going to get my hopes up.

    Then you haven't been following if you still think he is currently the backup. He has been starting consistently for the last 2 months - except against very weak teams where they have rested players. Games in Europe are also 40 minutes versus 48 in the NBA. Minute allocation for playing time tends to be different as well due to the European emphasis on team play and consistently running 10 men deep. Finally, for a more apples to apples comparison, look at what JV did last year against superior competition in Europe. The only advantage Bismack had was in blocks.

    You are absolutely correct JV hasn't proven anything yet in the NBA. Yet there are many more informed and intelligent people than myself - not associated with the Raptors - referring to him as the #2 pick in last year's draft and this year's draft. I have not heard such high praise for Biyombo.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Then you haven't been following if you still think he is currently the backup. He has been starting consistently for the last 2 months - except against very weak teams where they have rested players. Games in Europe are also 40 minutes versus 48 in the NBA. Minute allocation for playing time tends to be different as well due to the European emphasis on team play and consistently running 10 men deep. Finally, for a more apples to apples comparison, look at what JV did last year against superior competition in Europe. The only advantage Bismack had was in blocks.

    You are absolutely correct JV hasn't proven anything yet in the NBA. Yet there are many more informed and intelligent people than myself - not associated with the Raptors - referring to him as the #2 pick in last year's draft and this year's draft. I have not heard such high praise for Biyombo.
    People that were more informed and intelligent than us were also saying Bismack was one of the rarest athletes to come along in many many years. The reason he fell was because he was considered "raw". He still is but he's progressing really well, he just needs to work on his offense.

    BTW Most people here are completely ignoring the fact he's only 19 (younger than Jonas).IMO he has more upside than Jonas as well.

    If Jonas can become a 10/10 guy, I guess I will be happy. I just don't think he'll ever be as good as Bismack defensively because he just doesn't have the athleticism.
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